The "uncounterable's"?

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Mooninites] AD Kennen is garbage i don't even know why he's part of the discussion [/quote] If AD Kennen is garbage, so are half the ad carries that lose to him.[/quote]

[quote=koksei]Lol I just read the last 4 pages... 1. Caitlyn shits on many people in laning phase and her lategame is by no means bad dafuq If you have an "easy" time against her while laning she is incredibly bad. 2. Doublelift is right - Trist es #1 lategame. 3. AMUMU TOP OP[/quote]

[quote=LaronX][quote=Mooninites] well according to doublelift [[Tristana]] is the best 6 item carry in the game. In any case, that's a pretty widely regarded belief so i don't see how she's behind Kog and Vayne [/quote] She is the safest out of all of them. She has 2 ways to get away with flash 3 and that on the 3 highst range in game only topped by [[Kog'maw]] with W and [[Twitch]] with his Ulti. To the Kennen topic. His W dmg does not amplify crits and is decressed by Magress and as he does not build Magpen it cuts his dmg down by at least 25%. It does not effect Life steal and is only once every 5 hits. So it makes it quite good early, shit mid game, and decent late game. Caits passiv on the other side can crit (and is basicly a crit itself so you get a crit crit) and is taken into Account for life steal. I am still doing the Math but Kennen may even lose to Twitch becaus of the poisen dmg but I am not sure how to add it. Pray and Spray can increas you dps rapidly if you hit mulipel targets.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]spray can also miss, like not even hit the target if they are moving.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=LaronX] To the Kennen topic. His W dmg does not amplify crits and is decressed by Magress and as he does not build Magpen it cuts his dmg down by at least 25%. It does not effect Life steal and is only once every 5 hits. So it makes it quite good early, shit mid game, and decent late game. Caits passiv on the other side can crit (and is basicly a crit itself so you get a crit crit) and is taken into Account for life steal. I am still doing the Math but Kennen may even lose to Twitch becaus of the poisen dmg but I am not sure how to add it. Pray and Spray can increas you dps rapidly if you hit mulipel targets. [/quote] The reason why Kennen is so effective, his stuns. The regular AD-carries usually got a attack speed steroid or something that scales good with AD, Kennen has neither (except the decent W passive). But being able to constantly stun his target and still dealing high damage makes him really dangerous vs low health/defence targets. You can't really compare him with Twitch and Caitlyn since they are not created to work the same way. [list] - Twitch, rely on positioning and his attack speed buff. - Caitlyn, long range and her ability to kite - Kennen, mobility, constant stuns, shutting down champions [/list][/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]How could any of the other carries be scarier than [[Kog'Maw]] or [[Vayne]] lategame? I get that Trist has a lot more utility, but what steroid is she rocking that can compare with [[Silver Bolts]]? Because I don't remember seeing one. I love Trist, and if I don't trust my teammates to protect me heck yes I will pick her. She can take care of herself, and kill most people before they even get close to her. But if I'm playing with smart teammates and I want to get multi kills all day, I'm going to take [[Vayne]], hands down. It doesn't even matter if your range sucks and you get stuck wailing on the tank, because your steroid will annihilate him. As for [[Kog'Maw]], there isn't much to say other than the fact that Dignitas built an entire team around "Protect the Kog" and did OK with it. *edit* I accidentally a word.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=Klausenheim] How could any of the other carries be scarier than [[Kog'Maw]] or [[Vayne]] lategame? I get that Trist has a lot more utility, but what steroid is she rocking that can compare with [[Silver Bolts]]? Because I don't remember seeing one. I love Trist, and if I don't trust my teammates to protect me heck yes I will pick her. She can take care of herself, and kill most people before they even get close to her. But if I'm playing with smart teammates and I want to get multi kills all day, I'm going to take [[Vayne]], hands down. It doesn't even matter if your range sucks and you get stuck wailing on the tank, because your steroid will annihilate him. As for [[Kog'Maw]], there isn't much to say other than the fact that Dignitas built an entire team around "Protect the Kog" and did OK with it. *edit* I accidentally a word. [/quote] Her extremely high range that unlike Kog'maw is up 100% of the time and her 90% attack speed steroid that probably scales better with 6 items than any other steroid in the game.[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim][[Rapid Fire]] also has a 20 second cooldown :O Unless of course you are stacking CDR, or get lucky and have an AP / jungle who don't want blue. In which case, yes, Trist would be even more of a terror.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Klausenheim] How could any of the other carries be scarier than [[Kog'Maw]] or [[Vayne]] lategame? I get that Trist has a lot more utility, but what steroid is she rocking that can compare with [[Silver Bolts]]? Because I don't remember seeing one. [/quote] 90% AS steroid that's up every team fight. Also, silver bolts isn't that much of Vayne's damage. She needs far less AS items than Vane or Kog to achieve similar damage although less constant. Lastly, Vane's silver bolts isn't a steroid. It's a bonus. Steroid implies that you're giving her stats a bonus directly like Kog's [[Caustic spittle]] or the AD portion of [[Final hour]], not "Every 3 hits I have bonus damage." At least, that's my definition of it.[/quote]

[quote=Somalie]Positioning is key with AD carry until the moment you can trishot every anticarry that would come on you, and even at this point not being caught is still important. At this game, Trist is a monster. And then she has deadly steroid And 7 sec is way enough to make kill. In solo lanes : The champs that could be called uncounterable are the one with very few or never played counterpicks, able to counter build and have a counter runepage without losing damage or gold. Here the champ can't really be hard countered in term of damage trade. Then, between all those "good" champs, some counter softly an other because of game mechanic and player's style. Sustain, pusher or not, etc etc. To have a strong champ, train some of those good champs, have a good set of runepages, know what to do/avoid against other champs etc. But sometimes, a wild under-used champ is picked against you and you cry as you never did.[/quote]