Possible changes to Phage

[quote=NicknameMy]I tried once to replace Crit with increased dmg on AA, which would work very well. For [[phage]]([[trinity force]]), [[warden's mail]], etc., you could just lower the effect but make it happen anytime. For that, you could also increase the slow on [[frozen mallet]].[/quote]

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity]If they buff [[Phage]] with scaling what will happen to [[Trinity Force]]? D: [[Phage]] is working as intended. Leave it alone.[/quote]

[quote=animorte][[Phage]] is very good as it is. I just can't ever make myself pay the extra 1900 gold for +2 attack damage... [b]+2![/b] That's horrible. If you really need the slow that bad, get red buff which is much more cost efficient. The only reasons ever for justifying [[Frozen Mallet]] is for somebody that scales off health well or if that champion has a role focused on slowing enemies. Yes you can pair it up with [[Atma's Impaler]], but if you want to do that just get [[Warmog's Armor]] which is cheaper, gives you more health, AND you can get red buff for the slow.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Or you just can't get red buff because your ad carry needs it... And early-mid game the jungler has all reds.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Amumu and Fiddlesticks don't need red, just as an example. In the case that you are the tank wanting Mallet, go for it. Your primary role is to absorb damage while CCing enemies anyway. There are plenty of champions that don't even need an extra slow (such as Skarner, Ashe, Nunu, Riven, Nautilus, etc...)[/quote]

[quote=MasterShorty]If they buff Phage it would make the Wits End+Phage combo even stronger than it is now. One of the best early game strats for Bruisers is to rush Phage--->Boots--->Wits End, the combo does amazing mid game damage output. Not only that, but the randomness on Phage is helped with Wits End. You grab the "okay" damage on Phage and couple the random slow with amazing attack speed *AND* the magic damage per hit...ITS LIKE BRUISER HEAVEN!! Shyvana and Udyr are awesome with it =D[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli][quote=EvilDice] [quote=Xaioli] [quote=caucheka] [quote=Xaioli] Phage proc can easily win or lose you a game. [/quote] the only rng that could make or break a game was dodge. [/quote] I've seen that slow change a lane plenty of times. Edit: Adding one scenario I saw the other day with a Phage win. Irelia going to trade against enemy laner, blade surge to creep then onto them, Equilibrium Strike slow/stun while autoing with Hiten up, 30% slow procs. Irelia chases enemy laner under turret while autoing and gets away with 2 bars. I'm pretty sure that slow helped Irelia get the kill. There are a lot of other scenarios like that obviously. [/quote] i dont see a problem here... working as intended [/quote] Riot said that they want to remove most RNG factors and Phage is definitely one of those RNG things. So no, not really working as intended to Riot's views.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka][quote=Xaioli] [quote=EvilDice] [quote=Xaioli] [quote=caucheka] [quote=Xaioli] Phage proc can easily win or lose you a game. [/quote] the only rng that could make or break a game was dodge. [/quote] I've seen that slow change a lane plenty of times. Edit: Adding one scenario I saw the other day with a Phage win. Irelia going to trade against enemy laner, blade surge to creep then onto them, Equilibrium Strike slow/stun while autoing with Hiten up, 30% slow procs. Irelia chases enemy laner under turret while autoing and gets away with 2 bars. I'm pretty sure that slow helped Irelia get the kill. There are a lot of other scenarios like that obviously. [/quote] i dont see a problem here... working as intended [/quote] Riot said that they want to remove most RNG factors and Phage is definitely one of those RNG things. So no, not really working as intended to Riot's views. [/quote] please link me where they say most rngs. because they've only mentioned crit (which isnt a problem because you can build against crit) and dodge.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli][quote=caucheka] [quote=Xaioli] [quote=EvilDice] [quote=Xaioli] [quote=caucheka] [quote=Xaioli] Phage proc can easily win or lose you a game. [/quote] the only rng that could make or break a game was dodge. [/quote] I've seen that slow change a lane plenty of times. Edit: Adding one scenario I saw the other day with a Phage win. Irelia going to trade against enemy laner, blade surge to creep then onto them, Equilibrium Strike slow/stun while autoing with Hiten up, 30% slow procs. Irelia chases enemy laner under turret while autoing and gets away with 2 bars. I'm pretty sure that slow helped Irelia get the kill. There are a lot of other scenarios like that obviously. [/quote] i dont see a problem here... working as intended [/quote] Riot said that they want to remove most RNG factors and Phage is definitely one of those RNG things. So no, not really working as intended to Riot's views. [/quote] please link me where they say most rngs. because they've only mentioned crit (which isnt a problem because you can build against crit) and dodge. [/quote] Just wait for the next big rng thread/discussion when Riot takes part in. Can't find old thread but I swear on my life when dodge was being talked about, RNG as a whole was spoken of and things like Phage, Warden Mail was brought up to subject and possibly on the chopping block but Dodge was a higher priority at the time so thus, fixes were set loose. These things are pretty often so just pay attention lol.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i'll occasionally browse the dev tracker but i on't go to the lol forums otherwise.[/quote]