Why are the follwing champs banned?

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Twitch is the same thing as shaco, dont over extend and (vision) ward your lane.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=NicknameMy] I think you forgot [[twitch]] jungle. His lvl 2 and 3 ganking power is feared and he will stomp unorganized teams early. Great at Solo Queue, Bad at Competetive. [/quote] Never got my ass handed to me by a twitch jungler or roamer. HOWEVER, when he does come to me for the 3rd, 4th time he's around Godlike 90% of the time --[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=WonderofaFeeling] Don't forget [[vladimir]] guys. [/quote] If he tops he can easily be shut down early with a hard cc ganker like Nautilus. Howevever, if given the chance, he can still wreck lategame. P.E. I had a Wukong stalking my lane to help leblac (as if she needed that much help lawl) but still carried my team mid-lategame with some good roaming and farming like a beast[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=CasterMaster]Shen to me is just a big dingus. He can easily lose his lane to Riven or the hardcore counter Udyr. Using Stand United? Get Bear Stanced! I wouldn't ban Shen myself but everyone cries when he uses his ultimate. Why not just ban Soraka or Ashe or Karthus or Gangplank? (in fact most of these champions are banned in high ELO games due to their global presence).[/quote] [quote=CasterMaster]Not so much Kayle. As far as I'm concerned, Kayle is the #1 counter to Mordekaiser and that's why I wouldn't ban her. Karthus is meh. Counter-pick with Soraka or some BS heal/shield champions and his laning phase sucks harder then every mid AP.[/quote] Not sure if serious. Shen rapes Udyr and Riven, lmao. Also GP and Ashe are worse then trash in high elo atm, and Soraka is pretty well never banned except if you're doing a specific lane or know that they do a specific lane, lol. Kayle doesn't counter Mordekaiser worth shit, I don't play vs Kayle much but I'm pretty sure she would lose hard. And Karthus BARELY gets countered by Soraka, she only counters him early game, lategame his ult is still most likely going to do waves of damage and oh, what's this, I can use it to provide damage pre teamfight too? :o Also Karthus's laning phase is better then nearly every other AP Mid besides like, Cass. Have you even seen Regi or Nyjacky play Karthus...?[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]How can morde fair well versus Kayle? He has to avoid using E at all costs or she'll just Q+E him to make him back off. Also, wasn't Sion considered top bad priority as well?[/quote]

[quote=TreyDobe][quote=NicknameMy] I think you forgot [[twitch]] jungle. His lvl 2 and 3 ganking power is feared and he will stomp unorganized teams early. Great at Solo Queue, Bad at Competetive. [/quote] Naw, get an oracle and either you have hard hitting CC or have a teammate who does, when you spot the rat, gun for him first before his friends and you'll easily get a kill. Also vision wards around the map can keep everyone aware where he might be so you can do that, I actually find him one of the easiest people to kill other than [[teemo]] and a few other squishy targets though maybe I find them easy to take down cause I use [[Warwick]] and I'm pretty decent with him.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=FalseoGod] How can morde fair well versus Kayle? He has to avoid using E at all costs or she'll just Q+E him to make him back off. Also, wasn't Sion considered top bad priority as well? [/quote] No, he just E's her and keeps E'ing her, uses W when she uses Q & E and can just outsustain her from level 6 +. Also iirc his E range is higher then her AA with E, gg right there :P[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]the only must ban on that list is shen.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=Nighthawk] and Ashe are worse then trash in high elo atm [/quote] waaat [quote=CasterMaster]Shen to me is just a big dingus. He can easily lose his lane to Riven or the hardcore counter Udyr. Using Stand United? Get Bear Stanced! I wouldn't ban Shen myself but everyone cries when he uses his ultimate.[/quote] Even if you beat him in lane, his ultimate will win the other lanes meanwhile. Besides that he offers so much protection to his team with his taunt/ultimate.. heck it can even be used to split push all day and no, Udyr doesn't just bear stance up to Shen to stop his ultimate lol[/quote]

[quote=Syther Blade][quote=cooper56] Just wondering in alot ranked games following are always banned... Shen Shaco Morgana Kassadin [/quote] Shen becasue his ult and the fact that e can become tanky as anything then taunt your whole team. Shaco cause his jungle clear is fast and he can dissapear Morgana because of snare, then tromented soil. Also Ult +Zhonyas is to strong Kass because huis ult is an unlimited spammable flash.[/quote]