So, is Xin ban worthy now?

[quote=H4xDefender]I haven't seen him all that much, but from what i've seen, if he gets ahead of you in top hes staying ahead. I got 3 man ganked for and early FB and he just warded everything and shoved to tower then roamed. I couldn't fight him at all as jax, even with the dodge.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]I remember when I started playing, there was always a fed Xin Zhao. I started playin Nasus, understanding Whither and having fun! Xin Zhao is easily counterpicked with armor + AS/AD debuffs. Just don't feed him too soon.[/quote]

[quote=briunj04]I think Xin is an important ban now. Everyone should stop banning freaking Kassadin and ban Xin instead! The biggest buff to Xin and probably the biggest reason to ban him now is his ult. I mean, that thing hits like a freaking TRUCK now with his now passive + AD ratio. Plus, if you can get in on their carry and use it, they're pretty much done cause of the new knockback.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]bannin kasa wat l0l[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=DuffTime] bannin kasa wat l0l [/quote] Freaking normal in low elo. They can't counter him so they ban him. If you don't as captain, and even if you counter him midlane you get loads of grief if he even once gets a kill from roaming.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]People still ban Kassadin? Lol.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]indeed they are, and if not banned then instapicked. Low elo can't handle theory or counter. Trying Xin now first time after remake. Not in ranked though.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=H4xDefender] I haven't seen him all that much, but from what i've seen, if he gets ahead of you in top hes staying ahead. [/quote] Not always the case. Almost every top laner can build [[ninja tabi]] > [[heart of gold]] > [[warden's mail]] > Damage/core > [[randuin's omen]]. Or build even more damage than him and kill him back. Or, you can counterpick with [[malphite]].[/quote]

[quote=albableat]I liked the top [[jax]] against XZ. He denies a lot of Xin's damage while dealing a lot of damage himself. Also he can build rather defensively early and not fall off in terms of damage because W and R procs deal retarded base damage already. [[malphite]] is often banned, but surely he's a good counter too. Who else?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][[Xin zhao]] works pretty similar to other carry bruiser junglers like [[darius]] or [[jax]] which generally stomp solo queue. This is why he is definitly ban worthy. At premade, I think he isn't ban worthy, because junglers like him are generally countered by good teamplay and map awareness. Never forget the power of jungle [[xin zhao]], this can easily cost you games. He stays everytime at 100% hp and has nearly to no mana problems. And his ganks are great and will definitly force a [[flash]] with red buff.[/quote]