So, is Xin ban worthy now?

[quote=Khazem]screw trinity force. full armor pen runes and ghostblade rush. holy shit that damage[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Arp is strong on him but I rather rune armor, Mr and ad getting arp from abilities, lw and masteries. That is some 60%+ arp and I don't like to mix flat and % reduction. But yeah he's strong. 3 wins 1 loss with him. 2 wins jungle, 1/1 solo top.[/quote]

[quote=albableat][quote=Khazem] screw trinity force. full armor pen runes and ghostblade rush. holy shit that damage [/quote] I think AD runes would be better since his Q has a 1.2 total AD scaling and his ult is 1:1 (I think). Brutalizer is [b]the shit[/b] on him, though :DDD Sooooo much dmg.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]after a couple ranked games, ive seen quite a few ppl ban xin, however, i still find him easily counterable if played against correctly. if not, he can easily dominate and be seen as a ban worthy champ.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Only saw Xin feeders/failing in ranked today. Dominated Olaf with Rumble, Xin would come to clean up, though once I just proceeded to double kill. I find that many Xin players still play like retards. 1 vs 5? I'M XIN ZHAO UUUUUURRR OMG YOU NOOBS CAN'T FIGHT 1 VS 1?????[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][quote=cooper56] ... xin is easily countered by tanky team or tanks in general. He is also very squshy and if he builds tanky dps he cant destory in terms dmg. [/quote] Build LW, problem = solved. Though really it doesnt matter if someone goes tanky. Xin is like nocturne, he exists to kill the carry, who has low armor any way (usually). After Xin does this, any extra damage he puts down is just that, EXTRA. And HP based tanks will be hurting against him because his ult does 325+ 1per ad + 15% of enemies current health. If you have armor pen, then that will hit like a truck. Not to mention landing his ult on three or four people isnt hard and that gives you 75/100 [u]AR AND MR[/u]. Ang given then off tank builds i use, his resistances go from about 221 AR 150-190 Mr to 321 Ar and 250-290 MR easily. Also I find that xin gets alot more from ad than as. So MoM > Wit's end. Last Whisper and Black Cleaver are both still excellent items on him. Usually the only major AS item I pick up is Yommu's Ghost blade, though I could see arguments for trinity force.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=Opaque_Shadow] [quote=cooper56] ... xin is easily countered by tanky team or tanks in general. He is also very squshy and if he builds tanky dps he cant destory in terms dmg. [/quote] Build LW, problem = solved. Though really it doesnt matter if someone goes tanky. Xin is like nocturne, he exists to kill the carry, who has low armor any way (usually). After Xin does this, any extra damage he puts down is just that, EXTRA. And HP based tanks will be hurting against him because his ult does 325+ 1per ad + 15% of enemies current health. If you have armor pen, then that will hit like a truck. Not to mention landing his ult on three or four people isnt hard and that gives you 75/100 [u]AR AND MR[/u]. Ang given then off tank builds i use, his resistances go from about 221 AR 150-190 Mr to 321 Ar and 250-290 MR easily. Also I find that xin gets alot more from ad than as. So MoM > Wit's end. Last Whisper and Black Cleaver are both still excellent items on him. Usually the only major AS item I pick up is Yommu's Ghost blade, though I could see arguments for trinity force. [/quote] This. Plus the knockback of his ultimate has 2 alternatives. 1 is you go in on adc and knock back all others. Kill adc, win fight. Or you find someone squishy a bit out of place, e in on dude behind them and knockback squishy into your team.[/quote]