Role playing is not immature by nature. Good roleplay inherently requires maturity. The things you just said are simply not true, sorry kid.
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DuffTime wrote:
Good roleplay inherently requires maturity.
Please provide evidence to back up your statements. So far all you've done is take things out of your *** with no explanation whatsoever. What exactly makes roleplay require you to reasonably respond to your environment if roleplay, by definition, is the escape from said environment? It makes no sense whatsoever.
I think that showing you can understand and empathize with another person (in this case, character's) perspective is mature.
Merriam Webster defines maturity as: based on slow careful consideration.
This definition fits in perfectly with roleplaying (if it is done MATURELY) because the point is to think about what your character would do in a given situation and make decisions accordingly. If you make interesting / realistic characters this could give you some insight into why other people very different from you act the way they do; leading to improvements in your social capabilities in real life.
Merriam Webster defines maturity as: based on slow careful consideration.
This definition fits in perfectly with roleplaying (if it is done MATURELY) because the point is to think about what your character would do in a given situation and make decisions accordingly. If you make interesting / realistic characters this could give you some insight into why other people very different from you act the way they do; leading to improvements in your social capabilities in real life.
Even if it doesn't ever splash over into real life, you're right Mowen ^_^
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Mowen wrote:
I think that showing you can understand and empathize with another person (in this case, character's) perspective is mature.
Merriam Webster defines maturity as: based on slow careful consideration.
This definition fits in perfectly with roleplaying (if it is done MATURELY) because the point is to think about what your character would do in a given situation and make decisions accordingly. If you make interesting / realistic characters this could give you some insight into why other people very different from you act the way they do; leading to improvements in your social capabilities in real life.
Understanding and empathizing with other people is something children can do, even animals can. It has nothing to do with maturity as it is a trait the infants of any mammal species possess.
That definition doesn't make much sense either. If I, after slow careful consideration, decide to steal a kids lolipop just because he has one and I don't, would you call that being mature? No, you surely wouldn't.
That definition only makes sense if it means that the decision itself is mature, it has already been considered to it's full extent, worked out fully by the mind as the free online dictionary puts it. However, that definition doesn't make sense in the context of this discussion. That's not the maturity we're talking about and I'm sure you know that as well.
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I assume you already accept that you're wrong as you chose to cowardly stay behind mowen's argument, which wasn't even using the same definition of mature as you and I were, instead of correcting her and providing a proper explanation yourself.
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Dainou wrote:
Which I'm surprised some people haven't learned that you should never argument with Canoas, should be a warning text when you join mobafire^^
No, I just properly research each subject before making an argument. Unlike most of you, my arguments aren't just uneducated guesses.
"Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate how a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner."
If I am correct you are essentially arguing that since roleplaying is an escape from reality it is inherently immature, since maturity is based on responding appropriately to your environment.
I think this is a bad way to think about it, because that means that ANY escape from reality is immature. That would mean that watching a movie is immature, playing videogames is immature, reading a book is immature, etc. Doing these things are essentially recreation, and while they are not productive in and of themselves having a healthy life requires a balance of work and play. Therefore, play is not necessarily immature. I feel like finding the appropriate balance is a big part of maturity. You could have someone that works all the time and dies and early age because he put stress on his body 24/7, and I would see that as not "responding appropriately to your environment."
I feel like part of the problem with this argument is that maturity is a vague and inherently society driven concept, so what people view as mature is going to vary a lot.
For instance with the definition I linked... I did think it was a kind've odd definition but when I thought about it it made sense. You say that thinking a long time about taking candy from a baby, then choosing to do so is still immature because you are taking candy from a baby. However, if you thought about it, weighed your options, and realized that you can take candy from a baby with no consequences and only a reward for yourself, how is that not an appropriate response? It just depends on what the society sees as "right." This is what I was saying about maturity being a hard thing to define and varying a lot from person to person.
P.S. Yes I know that arguing with Canoas is a terrible idea, but for some reason I feel compelled to about this particular subject. Also there's no reason to insult Duff for agreeing with me... Someone choosing not to argue with someone else does not mean that you accept that you're wrong. It could mean a lot of things. If you think the person you're arguing with will never change his mind even though you think he's wrong, then it would be a waste of time to argue. Therefore, choosing not to waste your time arguing with someone is an "appropriate response to your environment." :)
If I am correct you are essentially arguing that since roleplaying is an escape from reality it is inherently immature, since maturity is based on responding appropriately to your environment.
I think this is a bad way to think about it, because that means that ANY escape from reality is immature. That would mean that watching a movie is immature, playing videogames is immature, reading a book is immature, etc. Doing these things are essentially recreation, and while they are not productive in and of themselves having a healthy life requires a balance of work and play. Therefore, play is not necessarily immature. I feel like finding the appropriate balance is a big part of maturity. You could have someone that works all the time and dies and early age because he put stress on his body 24/7, and I would see that as not "responding appropriately to your environment."
I feel like part of the problem with this argument is that maturity is a vague and inherently society driven concept, so what people view as mature is going to vary a lot.
For instance with the definition I linked... I did think it was a kind've odd definition but when I thought about it it made sense. You say that thinking a long time about taking candy from a baby, then choosing to do so is still immature because you are taking candy from a baby. However, if you thought about it, weighed your options, and realized that you can take candy from a baby with no consequences and only a reward for yourself, how is that not an appropriate response? It just depends on what the society sees as "right." This is what I was saying about maturity being a hard thing to define and varying a lot from person to person.
P.S. Yes I know that arguing with Canoas is a terrible idea, but for some reason I feel compelled to about this particular subject. Also there's no reason to insult Duff for agreeing with me... Someone choosing not to argue with someone else does not mean that you accept that you're wrong. It could mean a lot of things. If you think the person you're arguing with will never change his mind even though you think he's wrong, then it would be a waste of time to argue. Therefore, choosing not to waste your time arguing with someone is an "appropriate response to your environment." :)
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Dainou wrote:
Which I'm surprised some people haven't learned that you should never argument with Canoas, should be a warning text when you join mobafire^^
Yeah :P I can't even respond, he doesn't understand what people say because he really can't differentiate his opinions from fact. From now on, he and his posts simply don't exist to me. He just goes around making everybody mad in every forum that he ever posts in, and I'm personally not going to waste the energy on this guy any more, not worth it. It's just unfortunate he doesn't visibly break many rules so that he can't get banned, would be really nice if he just disappeared.
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If you think the person you're arguing with will never change his mind even though you think he's wrong, then it would be a waste of time to argue. Therefore, choosing not to waste your time arguing with someone is an "appropriate response to your environment." :)
If you were single I'd propose.
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Immaturity isn't a negative thing, stupidity is. Many people connect the two, but there is no connection at all. It's obviously true that if you are immature you CAN be stupid, but it doesn't mean you are, same goes for vice versa, you can be very mature, and still be a complete idiot.
People misuse the word mature sooooo much! 'Ok, lets settle this like mature people, blah blah blah'
In reality, problem solving has absolutely nothing to do with maturity.
In my opinion, role playing, whether you're chatting, playing a game, or running around pretending to be super man, is indeed immature, but guess what? That doesn't make it a bad thing! O:
Saying RP'ing is immature shouldn't really warrant an argument, I think. It would be understandable if he had said 'RP'ing is stupid, in order to enjoy it, you'd have to be a brainless idiot, who lives in his mothers basement, blah blah blah, a whole bunch more ridiculous insults'
Did he do this? No, Canoas simply said that rp'ing is immature, which is true. He wasn't coming in here being insulting, he came in here, and saw everyone saying how mature you have to be to roleplay, and tried to correct them. You don't have to be mature at all to roleplay, a 5 year old will role play basically every day. You say you have to be mature to roleplay WELL, that is also untrue. While you may be more mature than a 5 year old, it has nothing to do with it. The reason your roleplaying is deeper, and more meaningful is because you're SMARTER than a 5 year old. You can think up complex, and interesting stories, while a 5 year old running around pretending to be super man cannot.
My girlfriend is a very immature person, but she's a damned good writer, she's extremely open minded, and she's very intelligent as well. I believe she could be a GREAT roleplayer if she wanted to, regardless of whether or not she's mature.
I'm not trying to upset, or argue with anyone with this post, I'm just trying to explain things the way I see them.
TLDR: Maturity =/= intelligence, RPing doesn't take maturity at all, but good RP takes intelligence, and creativity, which again, are both completely unrelated to maturity.