Cleaver or Whisper?

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=throatslasher] Dis kelto guy. amirite? [/quote] I can't stand him. I literally have to stop myself from posting some times.[/quote]

[quote=Chaotic Bliss]Ok so that video does clear things up for me a lil bit more. Great video too. Must look up more[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]BTW: Cop, AD-carry for Curse.Na, prefers getting [[the black cleaver]] on [[ezreal]] over [[last whisper]].[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=NicknameMy] BTW: Cop, AD-carry for Curse.Na, prefers getting [[the black cleaver]] on [[ezreal]] over [[last whisper]]. [/quote] That's strange because [url=http://www.lolpro.com/guides/ezreal/91-ezreal-build-guide-duo-bot-by-cop-beaverfresh]his guide[/url] (which you commented on several times as recently as yesterday) recommends Last Whisper in the main build. As do all the other pro guides.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=NicknameMy] BTW: Cop, AD-carry for Curse.Na, prefers getting [[the black cleaver]] on [[ezreal]] over [[last whisper]]. [/quote] TBC is a great mid-game item on corki and ezreal(if you're with a taric and you're stomping faces) something like: Boots->Doran's->phage-> T2boots -> TBC -> Tri-force. But that's only remotely viable if you're like 3-0 by the time you get phage.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]You did read that, right? [quote]The end game can be a very situational place, no one build is always going to be the best. Some other options for end games items can be buying The Black Cleaver and Guardian Angel, for several reasons. First The Black Cleaver is stronger if your enemy has less armor since it is not percent based like Last Whisper, though if the enemy team is heavily stacking armor, id still recommend Last Whisper. Also The Black Cleaver allows for more AD/faster attack speed, and gives the benefit of reduced armor to your entire team (assuming you are focusing the same target). Another option for The Black Cleaver Vs. Last Whisper is to buy last whisper first, and if you have excess gold at the end of the game swap your Last Whisper for a Black Cleaver, as it overall can often be more beneficial, but also more costly.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=NicknameMy] prefers [/quote] [quote=Cop] Some other options [/quote] You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic][quote=BusDriver210] Not this thread again..... [/quote] Also how the heck did that guy draw that conclusion at the end of the video? lol. 130 armor is like an ad carry with a guardian angel and his support running aegis. that means that almost everyone else on the team will have more. tank usually about 200+ and the top usually about 150+. So you're really going to get a whole item that will only benefit you against ONE guy? and by what? 20-30 damage? And then lose WAY more than that against the other FOUR people on his team? I could see you getting it on [[kayle]] though. Why? Cuz [[kayle]] doesn't give a fuck and can honestly build just about anything and get away with it (it's a joke guys. Stop shitting yourselves over it.).[/quote]

[quote=Keltocdragon]Depends on your team, bad team no focus, last whisperer, good team excellent focus TBC, That seems to be a fair adjustment.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka]I wouldn't get TBC on Rengar, pretty much ever. The reason, pure and simple, is that other top laners tend to build decent amounts of armor. So even if you rush it, your lane opponents is likely to have upwards of 120 armor before you can get it, and they're going to build more. If you don't rush it, you give the enemy's squishies time to build armor, and pretty much any ADC with a good rune page is going to be only a bit under 150 armor at level 18 with just GA, more if their team has an Aegis or their support is Taric. (And keep in mind that this will be the squishiest member of their team, so it gets worse from here.) I'm not sure if you'd need to get LW on Rengar, either. Trinity or BT are far better at increasing his damage, and he'll need pretty much all of his remaining item slots to build tanky or tanky-deeps items (depending on what you can get away with and what your team needs). I don't think we need a thread about the relative merits of TBC or LW on AD carries. Everyone knows the arguments and the math (or at least a version of the math) already. We've trod this ground repeatedly and not come to any definitive conclusions, so I think we can safely skip the arguments and just get around to admitting that the two sides don't agree.[/quote]