Msg I sent to #1 karma guide holder

[quote=xIchi]Well it is true that many #1 Guides are rather outdated or filled with a lil bit of missinformation. But people just look at the first guide and either up or downvote it. They are just 2 lazy to look around for alternatives and dont even read the description most of the time...[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]Not at all. You really going to make me pull out everything wrong with this guide? I'll go until I get bored. No gp10 on support karma. bad. later, he talks about it, and says they're good. his guide is 100% conflicting. He says something is bad, and ten bajillion pages later, says it's good and ok to build. "She should neither be played the same way nor built in the same fashion" referring to sona and janna, which is incorrect. they should build almost exactly 100% the same. "Do you want to play a character who can get double first blood against Mordekaiser and Malphite with no help from your lagged-out laning partner BEFORE the minions even spawn?" This doesn't happen "Fortunately, they (runes) don't make too big of a difference." False. "A general mage-friendly runebook might look like this:" AP/lvl seals? no thanks "Don't take varice quintessences (on support karma)" I would on support karma. I don't see why not. "You should hopefully have no trouble getting enough assists (as support)" Oh, you never lose a lane? ok. "Armor runes aren't a great plan either." ARMOR RUNES ARE ESSENTIAL FOR SUPPORTS Exhuast summoner is in the 'avoid taking' section for summoner spells. You cannot play support karma without taking exhaust. "Now you aren't an assassin but... with the right team mates, you might have only 0-2 deaths per match (as mentioned above) and upwards of 30 or 40 assists" 40 assists? what kind of fucking games is he playing? We're not talking a random game here or there, he's talking 30-40 assists A GAME. Literally, i'm just scrolling down randomly and reading 1 sentence, and it's wrong. I don't have time to read this guide, literally would probably take me 45 minutes to get through it. Does taknig 45 minutes to read make it a good guide? In my opinion, no, that makes it a terrible guide. Look, i'm not going through this entire pile of shit again. This guide is at least ten times TOO LONG. I'm not saying long guides aren't fine, but this thing is a fucking novel.[/quote]

[quote=Krisys]So write a new one and overtake that guide, if it's good people will eventually rise your guide above the others. Especially when they fix Karma in 2015. No need to call out who you're calling out just because you disagree with how Karma should be played. Seems like you want a quick fix for every single thing and not put forth the effort required.[/quote]

[quote=Minho]I remember when the top GP guide kept refreshing, while having dodge runes in the cheat sheet months after it was removed.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=PsiGuard] First of all, I want to say you aren't going to get very far with a "movement." Mobafire is inherently and explicitly a democratic site in the sense that guides are ranked by votes and not direct quality control from higher-ups. This obviously has some lousy consequences, but that's the cost of having a site like this. The admins don't want this to have the same environment as solomid, so we're going to have to figure out other ways of improving quality control. #1 guides which are horrible in content will (theoretically) not get Scouted, which is a step in the right direction. We can at least promote better guides to overtake worse ones, even if we can only offer one downvote to bring the top guide down if it's bad. There's not much more we can do about this since we can't control the voting habits of the site's members nor can we forcibly archive a guide because some good players think it's a disgrace. That's the price of freedom. In the case of repeatedly refreshed (yet outdated) guides, this can be a punishable offense if it's severe enough. There have been guides in the past which have been forcibly archived due to the author repeatedly refreshing the filter without changing the content at all. If you think there's enough of a case to get a guide archived, [b][i]report it[/i][/b] and the mods and admins will sort it out. Normally this comes close to the line of "calling out" someone on the forums which is considered a form of harassment. Since you strictly kept on the topic of the guide without being insulting to the author, I think it's best if I leave the thread up. Just keep in mind it's better to convince an author via PM, and it's better to bring rule-breakers to our attention by using the Report tool. Making threads for this kind of thing can spark discussion, but generally not change unless you propose a shift in site policy. [/quote] The problem with the 'democratic process' when it comes to guides is that there is an extremely low ratio of views/votes. My malzahar guide on solomid has 50,000+ views, and like 70 votes. That being said, one guide will generally never overtake another. His guide has 1750 votes, it would be impossible to convince enough people to downvote that guide even a single %. our votes are too dilute. "nor can we forcibly archive a guide because some good players think it's a disgrace." If the head administrators want to preserve the integrity of their site, they would do us a service to remove a guide with a section titled "SEASON 2 CHANGES" "Normally this comes close to the line of "calling out" someone on the forums" I disagree. This author just logs into mobafire once every month to change a single letter to refresh the staleness. I'm not 'calling him out' if he's not even here to notice. I thought I was proposing a shift in site policy. I don't think that guides from 2 years ago with 2 million views that have not been updated should not be allowed to continue. I will report the guide and see if anything happens. The policy should be thus: If you write a completely valid guide and you put a ton of hard work into it, you should have a shot at the #1 slot. The policy now is, write whatever you want, but you'll never overtake a 2 year old guide that's a steaming load of poop.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Krisys] So write a new one and overtake that guide, if it's good people will eventually rise your guide above the others. Especially when they fix Karma in 2015. No need to call out who you're calling out just because you disagree with how Karma should be played. Seems like you want a quick fix for every single thing and not put forth the effort required. [/quote] he already made a karma guide he doesnt like the fact that the #1 karma guide is stale and is being refreshed without having any information being changed, he also thinks the information is incorrect in it, this was all said in the OP =[ please read the first post before you say something like "MAKE YOUR OWN GUIDE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT" cuz he already did[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Krisys] So write a new one and overtake that guide, if it's good people will eventually rise your guide above the others. [/quote] Yes, maybe by 2014[/quote]

[quote=Krisys][quote=DillButt64] [quote=Krisys] So write a new one and overtake that guide, if it's good people will eventually rise your guide above the others. Especially when they fix Karma in 2015. No need to call out who you're calling out just because you disagree with how Karma should be played. Seems like you want a quick fix for every single thing and not put forth the effort required. [/quote] he already made a karma guide he doesnt like the fact that the #1 karma guide is stale and is being refreshed without having any information being changed, he also thinks the information is incorrect in it, this was all said in the OP =[ please read the first post before you say something like "MAKE YOUR OWN GUIDE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT" cuz he already did [/quote] I don't really need to read his posts to make a general statement. If you feel you can make a guide that is more accurate than another person's go ahead and make one. The only issue with people not voting his up are the obvious facts that no one seems to figure out and is why he wants the quick fix: 1. Karma is broken, therefore no one plays her 2. Since no one plays her, very few look for a guide. When they fix Karma, the guide that is the most accurate and effective will head towards the top. Since she has remained in her current state for so long the only people that play Karma are the ones that have already had her. They voted the guide x months ago and haven't gone through the info again. Besides, if you think the process for Mobafire guide voting is so broken, why in the hell do you want your guide on mobafire lol[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]Someone has to fix it. Instead of shit talking without reading, why don't you make a guide and contribute?[/quote]

[quote=cyberskull]I honestly don't get what your problem is throatslasher..you always post stuff on the forums about how someone did something wrong or how a guide sucks or something similar. And now you're sending that guy messages about how his guide sucks and that you're a better Karma player than him (at least it seems like that's what you're saying). Even if his guide is totally out of date and wrong it doesn't mean he should remove it just cause you dislike it. And if he really is updating his guide without adding nothing to keep it fresh report him to an admin or something. I really don't see why you're offending the guy like that...[/quote]