What do you mean build him tank? im AP!

[quote=TheNaethryn]here is something that i ran into recently 3 times almost in a row and i figured id ask about it. I would be playing a match (as ap sion) and half way through it we would be getting destroyed but it would be too early to surrender. Then my team mates would tell me to start building sion as a tank. Here is where the confusion is. 1.) is that really viable? As in after spending money getting sorc boots, lich bane and working my way to nasher ( my normal build) would it work to start getting tank items? 2.) isn't ap sion already pretty tanky? I don't think AD and AS would make him anymore tanky but i have been wrong before. 3.) if it is viable, do i sell all my items and just rebuild? this seems like a terrible idea to me but someone recommended it to me who was a higher level (23 i think)and as the motto goes "listen to your elders". and finally 4.) (what i think) i just happened to get 3 groups of bad players that do not believe AP sion is a viable build. I have plenty of people tell me in game already that AP sion is a waste and I'm convinced he isn't. So all in all what should i do in this situation? Listen to my team? ignore them and accept defeat? Fight for the users? Thanks everyone for listening :)[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I am not sure what the "standard" sion build is since I don't play him a lot, but selling all your items is generally a bad way to go. If you wanted to build him as a tank you should look at your team comp from the beginning and decide how you want to play him. I think this is mostly due to the confusion people have in thinking that if you have a lot of HP or a defensive spell, you are a tank. Most Sion's I've seen that have done well have been a dps (either ad or ap). Like people will tell you Vlad is a tank, well that's just not true. Vlad just has high health, but he shouldn't be building resistances and he has no taunts / stuns. Most tanks have some way to force people to fight them or start a team fight, like taunts/ aoe stuns etc. Sion only has 1 stun like many other characters, so if you only get tanking items people will probably just ignore you because you are not a threat. I would stick with how you want to play him, and tell people that think he's a tank if they wanted a tank they should've picked a REAL tank. (shen, rammus, malphite, galio, amumu, etc)[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]You absolutely need to decide what you're building beforehand. If your team doesn't have a designated tank, you need to build tank Sion - if you have enough tankiness on your team, build AP. Simple as that. Even though it's solo queue, people still need to modify team composition based on what others are going. Be that as it may, both AP and tank Sion are equally viable. I'm going to wager that the reason your team was getting destroyed is because your tanks weren't good enough, or because you didn't have any tanks. That's when you need to build tanky Sion and not go AP. Although honestly, you'd save yourself a lot of trouble by just going with a premade :P[/quote]

[quote=TheNaethryn]thank you mowen helpful as always. And as for Jebus's insight i almost always play premade with my friends who play shen and xin. Its just sometimes they aren't on and when i play a solo this is what happens to me :). I build my ruins (the few i have) for AP with magic pen and cool down but i guess i should look up tank builds for Sion because i have never done tank before. Either way i definitely see where both of you are coming from and its helpful. Its funny to me how tips i get from people in game are miserable but tips i get here are awesome. Its like people want me to lose lol.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=TheNaethryn]I build my ruins[/quote] http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/off-topic/midget-rant-1801 B-Wong is going to rape you.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Yeah I noticed that before... >_> I just didn't want to say anything! They're called runes (roons) :P[/quote]

[quote=SinDelta]Here is what i do when i play sion ap, i rush Lichbane and boots then start building tank items. the same thing for ad sion as i play him burst i just switch out for trinity force. Items you may want to look into for being tanky: Physical Dps: Randuins omen/Thornmail/Frozen Heart Casters:Force of Nature/Banshees viel/Quicksilver sash[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]to put this to rest. sion was DESIGNED to be tanky dps. what he ended up being is an ap nuke. What makes sion good is that he can really be played as anything. What is argued to be the best build is pure AP, because his ratios are so good. but his ult and his ad skill make him a viable dps. tbh, pure tank sion is pointless because he doesnt really have any GOOD support besides the 2 second stun. His aoe heal ult isn't the greatest without stacking dps.[/quote]