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Lugignaf wrote:
I max in the order of R->Q->W->E
Free AD is always good and there's no reason to max E unless you need to AoE push a lot.
I definitely think E is worth maxing second, not last lol.
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Because Zed depends on burst, and maxing W sacrifices that. Also, the slow helps to hit your Qs. By the time you are level 13, it will be teamfighting time. That means you dive onto the carry and do your damage, or die trying in about 3 seconds. You won't get to take advantage of the short cooldown on E.
Not to mention, having E maxed in a teamfight gives you the advantage or slowing everyone by 40% in two AOEs.
I'd do the math on the burst with E maxed, vs. the burst with W maxed, but I am tired and the wiki doesn't list the %AD bonus on Zed's W.
Not to mention, having E maxed in a teamfight gives you the advantage or slowing everyone by 40% in two AOEs.
I'd do the math on the burst with E maxed, vs. the burst with W maxed, but I am tired and the wiki doesn't list the %AD bonus on Zed's W.
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E is maxed mid over Q for various reasons:
- If the mid laner doesn't have a strong wave clear, you can shove him into his turret by maxing E. That way he loses CS to his own turret, you get to free harass him, and you can roam freely without being punished.
- If the mid laner is very mobile. Q is a skillshot that is rather easy to predict/dodge, or at least significantly reduce its damage by stading behind a creep. That's why a W into 2x E is more reliable.
- W - E - W - AA - E - AA - Q combo does more damage if E is maxed first since as you can see Q is energy hungry and has higher CD than E so you can't spam it more than once in a fast combo. I always use this combo when I know i won't get punished after or if i know where the enemy jungler is. It basically drops 50% of your HP, and can be done in 4 seconds.
- If the mid laner doesn't have a strong wave clear, you can shove him into his turret by maxing E. That way he loses CS to his own turret, you get to free harass him, and you can roam freely without being punished.
- If the mid laner is very mobile. Q is a skillshot that is rather easy to predict/dodge, or at least significantly reduce its damage by stading behind a creep. That's why a W into 2x E is more reliable.
- W - E - W - AA - E - AA - Q combo does more damage if E is maxed first since as you can see Q is energy hungry and has higher CD than E so you can't spam it more than once in a fast combo. I always use this combo when I know i won't get punished after or if i know where the enemy jungler is. It basically drops 50% of your HP, and can be done in 4 seconds.
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1. It is just as easy to shove lane with Q. W-E-Q can instantly clear a wave if you max Q.
2. Most mid laners aren't the mobile. If they have a leap/flash move, you won't be able to E harass either.
3. That is true, but not many mid laners will let you get away with that. Zed is extremely kitable without his W up, because he has no CC without it. The only mid laners that will let you get away with that are either bruisers, melee APS (kat, eve, kass,) or karthus and vlad. Otherwise, you won't be able to stay in melee range without getting hit by burst damage and CC. (i.e. Anivia, TF, ori, morgana etc.)
Also, E is not more spammable, because it is melee range. No ranged champ with half a brain would let you stroll into melee range. That means you have to use W to do anything. When your W is on CD, you are a wet noodle.
2. Most mid laners aren't the mobile. If they have a leap/flash move, you won't be able to E harass either.
3. That is true, but not many mid laners will let you get away with that. Zed is extremely kitable without his W up, because he has no CC without it. The only mid laners that will let you get away with that are either bruisers, melee APS (kat, eve, kass,) or karthus and vlad. Otherwise, you won't be able to stay in melee range without getting hit by burst damage and CC. (i.e. Anivia, TF, ori, morgana etc.)
Also, E is not more spammable, because it is melee range. No ranged champ with half a brain would let you stroll into melee range. That means you have to use W to do anything. When your W is on CD, you are a wet noodle.
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You're forgetting E has half the CD of Q.
Two E's would outdamage a Q + Shadowed Q, and it would make zoning a lot easier because the champion you're laning against would be scared of that shadow chunking him for 180 if he ever gets close to it as opposed to a Q that would be easily dodged.
Would also be better wave clear because it's very difficult to actually hit all 6 minions with Q (not long enough to hit them when they arrive, not wide enough when they're clumped), while with E you can just send out your shadow in between them and E > E.
Replace E with Q and this sounds EXACTLY like Eve, LOL. (not insulting you, just saying xD) But really, no ranged champion SHOULD let Eve get close without her W, right? But she does fine anyway >_>
Two E's would outdamage a Q + Shadowed Q, and it would make zoning a lot easier because the champion you're laning against would be scared of that shadow chunking him for 180 if he ever gets close to it as opposed to a Q that would be easily dodged.
Would also be better wave clear because it's very difficult to actually hit all 6 minions with Q (not long enough to hit them when they arrive, not wide enough when they're clumped), while with E you can just send out your shadow in between them and E > E.
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lso, E is not more spammable, because it is melee range. No ranged champ with half a brain would let you stroll into melee range. That means you have to use W to do anything. When your W is on CD, you are a wet noodle.
Replace E with Q and this sounds EXACTLY like Eve, LOL. (not insulting you, just saying xD) But really, no ranged champion SHOULD let Eve get close without her W, right? But she does fine anyway >_>
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(E does not do more damage for each hit with clone. Q does half damage on every damage but the first, so hitting it three times will result in double damage.)
Burst at level 9
Here is the combo: R-W-E-Q
E maxed (Not counting AD scaling):
R: 0
W: 0
E: 200
Q: 220
R: 84
Total: 504
Q Maxed (Not counting AD scaling):
R: 0
W: 0
E: 95
Q: 430
R: 105
Total: 630
Now let's include some AD scaling. Zed will have about 115 AD (With a brutalizer)
The new combo is R-W-E-Q-Autoattack (with passive)
E Maxed:
R: 0
W: 0
E: 292
Q: 450
AA: 175
R: 298
Total: 1215
Q Maxed:
R: 0
W: 0
E: 187
Q: 660
AA: 175
R: 319
Total: 1341
(It's funny how Q nukes harder even if you don't max it.)