Seekers Armguard

[quote=caucheka]whats the point of this item again? [[seeker's armguard]] theres no point in getting the kills, as the hourglass has full stacks plus the nlrs stats plus 5 armor. all in all, hourglass only went up 20 ap for 300 gold.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]It's intended to be bought early by mages against AD lanes so they they don't drop that much in power by rushing [[Chain vest]] to not die to them. From what I've seen it works pretty well for that. But since [[Warmog's Armor]] AP champs are far more popular, and don't get gibbed as easily as mages; like Kat, Elise, and Rumble, it's still not a very common sight.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]it only matches chain vests armor after you got 20 stacks. if it was that much of an issue, i think a better set up (currently, once armguard gets another upgrade path it will be different) would of been to just make it double cloth armor and the nlr, then just add 120 to the combine cost, leaving the stats and total cost the same. but once again, they take a unique champion ability/passive and make it an item or vice-versa.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]They need to make the passive gain carry over when you buy hour glass.[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD]You can go cloth+5pots when going against Talon. That's the point. Hai Talon.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka][quote=cooper56] They need to make the passive gain carry over when you buy hour glass. [/quote] it does though. armguard (empty) - 25 ap, 30 armor armguard (stacked) - 40 ap, 45 armor needlessly large rod - 80 ap zhonya's hourglass - 120 ap, 50 armor as mentioned before, zhonyas = fully stacked armguard, nlr, and 5 armor. it doesnt matter if you get 0 stacks or all 30.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=caucheka] [quote=cooper56] They need to make the passive gain carry over when you buy hour glass. [/quote] it does though. armguard (empty) - 25 ap, 30 armor armguard (stacked) - 40 ap, 45 armor needlessly large rod - 80 ap zhonya's hourglass - 120 ap, 50 armor as mentioned before, zhonyas = fully stacked armguard, nlr, and 5 armor. it doesnt matter if you get 0 stacks or all 30. [/quote] You sure i mean make the stacked ap and armor along with hour glass along with base. So that would bne 135 ap and 65 armor. I know when i upgrade it it was fully stacked and all i got was base from hour glass.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]135 ap, 65 armor, and the active for 3410 gold? too cost efficient. by looking at cost efficiency.. 135 ap = 2936 gold 65 armor = 1300 gold buying 135 ap and 65 armor alone is equal to 4236 gold. and thats before the active. thats about 1000 gold worth of free stats.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]seekers armguard did fine for me as eve against pantheon[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]It's cost effective, easy to buy early game, and easy to build out of. Somebody mentioned a cloth 5 opening, and they are spot on with that idea. It's really good on energy/cooldown AP casters in lanes Vrs AD's for that reason. Akali, Katarina, Kennen, blah blah. You just build the armguard and continue down whatever build path you choose. No need to get an early Zhonya's, and instead lean into the cost efficiency of an early-mid game armband.[/quote]