nah his ganks too strong and passive baits op
top he just loses most matchups
and yea I ping people all the time :D
top he just loses most matchups
and yea I ping people all the time :D
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Xiaowiriamu wrote:
Best 5 Junglers in my opinion
#1 Amumu - offers great CC for team, has great dominance and presence early,mid and late.
#2 Hecarim - one of the strongest junglers in late game, and also holds one of the best presence mid game. Decent CC, great initiation and deals heavy AOE damage. Recommend this champ to carry hard.
#3 Xin - insane ganks, and damage output early and mid, falls off late, but still has presence.
#4 Vi - Similar to Xin, falls off pretty easily though, not had much experience with Vi, but usually I win against one when it comes to late/mid game but XJ9 seems to pull this off quite easily.
#5 Nunu - insane counter jungler, great synergy with most team compositions, has nice utility, hard to master but when played right you'll start to understand why I've put this in top 5 ^_^
"Decent junglers"
#1 Lee - decent early but cant really carry in my opinion, i never lose vs a lee...I just wait till mid/late and he doesn't do anything useful.
#2 Darius - early/mid game dominance, decent jungle time - falls of late
#3 Maokai - similar to amumu except less presence, can easily be counted and made useless
#4 Olaf - shown to be the fastest jungler and statistically the best, but has struggled in s3 to make an impact
#5 Karthus - fast, can gank easily, prone to counter jungling, but once he hits 6 he can just farm-farm-farm and just press R when hes hitting golems or some ****, had some nice success with karthus jungle lately.
#6 Jarvan (thanks wrath:D)
Rofl junglers
#1 Nocturne - USELESS!!! I always lose with a Nocturne on my team, offers nothing to a team late game, lacks damage, has "alright" cc with fear but its not good enough. His ultimate is okay, but since he lacks damage his ganks are not the strongest. Whenever I see someone pick this champ, I always rage a little and think "you fear....then what?"
#2 Fiddlesticks - Easily counted and hard to get ultimate off
#3 Cho'gath - Decent in his own right but he struggles really hard early and mid game
#4 Shyvana - Same reasons as Nocturne, just useless.
#5 Warwick - Warwick still decent, but this isn't Season 1 anymore, theres much more better junglers, and most people know how to counter his ultimate, can easily be shutdown now.
Strange but works junglers:
#1 Poppy - has decent ganks and jungle clearence but suffers getting gold income in comparison to top. Still good in jungle though, won a few games as poppy jungle.
#2 Tryndamere - risky but if you can get fed early its pretty much GG [towerdiving after 6 is good too]
#3 Kayle - strong presence and jungle clearence
#4 Gragas - insane ganks after 6 and decent jungle clearence, easily counted though.
#5 Pantheon - simialr reasons to Gragas
Other junglers that work, but i don't recommend: Mundo, Singed Master Yi, Rammus, Volibear and Elise
Why? They're just better in lanes, simple as.
you didnt even mention trundle at all in here, hes good at everything except his ult is trash right now because of the hp stacking meta right now, and i think hes a way better counter jungler than nunu because of his Q making him a good duelist against anyone that uses AD, and his pillar almost always burns a flash and his contaminate is a good steroid to me
also as for kayle rumble and nidalee
Kayle, i tried her before but i was never very good with her every time i tried to use her
Rumble, ive never used a champion that used something that wasnt mana so i think itll take a while to learn him
Nidalee, im tempted to try her because of her playstyle but i never got around to it

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throatslasher wrote:
You've never played a mana less champ? You're missing out.
ive tried morde and vlad and i didnt like using either of them, ill try rumble next time hes free, also whats your view on olaf top/jungle? ive been thinking about getting him

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But he still has a pretty angry gank and snowballs deceptively well.