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minus value of armor and magic resist

Creator: Silesia Blaster March 22, 2013 5:41pm
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Does it possible, to put with items and runes armor or magic resist into minus value, or it stops on 0? Is there any limit of magic and armor penetration?
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*Is it possible.

And from what I understand, flat penetration can never make it fall below 0, and if you somehow make percentage base go high enough, then yes.

AKA:

Percentage Based Pen can make armor go below 0.

Flat Based Pen cannot.

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Rhollback wrote:

*Is it possible.

And from what I understand, flat penetration can never make it fall below 0, and if you somehow make percentage base go high enough, then yes.

AKA:

Percentage Based Pen can make armor go below 0.

Flat Based Pen cannot.



... What? That makes... No sense... Mathematically the lowest percent you can get to is 0%...
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You can get a negative value on Armor and MR. Soraka's starcall is a perfect example

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What I was saying was, just doing flat percent won't let you go below 0 armor or mres, because its just percent. The lowest % you can go is 0.
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You cannot penetrate below zero armor (logically: You can't go through what's not there) (Brutalizer, LW)

You can reduce armor below zero (logically, you completely destroy the armor, then destroy the body)
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tehAsian wrote:

You cannot penetrate below zero armor (logically: You can't go through what's not there) (Brutalizer, LW)

You can reduce armor below zero (logically, you completely destroy the armor, then destroy the body)

He's right. items like Abyssal Scepter can reduce an enemy's MR below 0.
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if they only have 30 magic resistance and you have 40 magic pen you do increased damage, but their armor isn't reduced. So from your view, its technically reduced to -10 i guess
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or if you don't understand what tehasian is saying:

penetration can't reduce armor below zero, reduction can.

an ezreal with 30 mr and 10 stacks of starcall on her has -90 mr. a soraka with 150% penetration will only penetrate said ez's mr to 0.


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Mikuroo wrote:

if they only have 30 magic resistance and you have 40 magic pen you do increased damage, but their armor isn't reduced. So from your view, its technically reduced to -10 i guess


no, only if you have 40 REDUCTION or 30 Pen and 10 Reduction, will it be reduced to -10.


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