Patch 3.5 balance update

[quote=yehosera]Sivir defo needs to go up to 525 it's stupid she's sulking at 500 range, back way back when it was ok for her to have 500 range due to how strong she used to be. But these days and with the changes to her kit, 500 is just too small for a carry to function well. Quinn is completely fine with 525 range, in lane her harrier would be insane if she could trade easily with other carries.[/quote]

[quote=Satella][quote=OTGBionicArm] needs more AA range. +25 pls. +50 for [[Sivir]] while we're at it. Riot pls. Otherwise turn those two and [[Graves]] into a new breed of "ranged bruisers" and stop acting like they're carries. [/quote] You sound like Doublelift who immediately dismissed [[Draven]] for being a shit ADC because he has 525 AA range (LCS Scorecard as of this post: Doublelift 0, Draven 4). Their kits are strong and AA range is not everything. EDIT> I'm retarded (Draven's AA range is 550), but he definitely called Draven shit because of his AA range; check one of the old SotL VODS.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Draven has 550 range lol. The actual reason Doublelift doesn't like Draven is because he feels he doesn't carry hard enough/consistently enough in lategame and Doublelift carrying is the cornerstone of CLG's strategy. This is why Doublelift only plays hypercarries right now ([[caitlyn]], [[vayne]], [[twitch]]).[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Draven]] has 550 range. o.O[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Graves has no reason to be a bruiser with that burst. Quinn's issue remains that her range is crap, passive is random, W has low impact out of lane (except when ulting), ult gives no resistances and, worst of all, her scalings are terribad. They could at least buff her Q and E ratios. She has a lot of potential, to be honest (self peel, blind, steroids), but I feel like she will suffer from the [[syndra]] syndrome: small buffs that'll make her worth it then some more until people realize what they've been missing out.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=FalseoGod] Graves has no reason to be a bruiser with that burst. [/quote] This one isn't a balance thing, it's thematic. [[Graves]] is a super man mode shot gunner. I feel like making him an AD carry breaks his man mode attitude (Because carries often have to run and kite, pansy behavior for such a manly man). I liked it when he was released and everyone thought he was a ranged tank.[/quote]

[quote=Satella][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nYE5goA9oE#t=1700s]Found it[/url]! So that's what I was remembering, lol. [b]Travis:[/b] So Doublelift, you said that his range is gonna make him garbage, is that what you said? [b]Doublelift:[/b] All I have to do is look at the first line. Right, I see here: Range - 525. He's garbage.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Caitlyn]] exists, so the statement of 525- range being garbage for a carry is pretty much accurate... But [[Draven]] actually has 550, so he was wrong. XD Personally I don't think any true ranged AD carry should have less than 550 range, but that's just me...[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]All I'm gonna say is that there's a reason Graves isn't getting played that much even though his kit is broken OP. It starts in 5 and it ends in 5.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Eh I must be too tired to get what you're saying.[/quote]