Support talk.

[quote=Joshified]We already had an adc one going so I thought a discussion on supports would tie in nicely as well C: Supports: [[Leona]], [[Alistar]], [[Thresh]], [[Lulu]], [[Janna]], [[Soraka]], [[Taric]], [[Nami]], [[Blitzcrank]], [[Sona]], [[Nunu]], [[Karma]], [[Zyra]], [[Fiddlesticks]], [[Elise]], [[Lux]] (If I missed any, make sure to tell me :3) What do you think would be a sutiable tier list? I personally find something like... Tier 1: [[Thresh]], [[Sona]], [[Lulu]] Tier 2: [[Taric]], [[Zyra]], [[Alistar]], [[Janna]] Tier 3: [[Blitzcrank]], [[Leona]], [[Elise]], [[FIddlesticks]], [[Nunu]], [[Lux]], [[Karma]], [[Nami]], [[Soraka]] Unknown: [[Nami]] is currently the most misplaced as of now, I have found some [[Nami]]'s destroy but others are useless. [[Lux]] is also in the same boat, I personally don't find her to be too great so I will just leave her in tier 3. I am basically going off usuage and success in the LCS here, pure speculation at best. This tier list is by no means accurate thus far, just my opinion in the current meta! So.. What do you guys think? Who are the best supports? Make sure to give valid reasoning if you strongly believe in a certain champions viability as a support. [b]BEGIN![/b][/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][[Thresh]] is his own tier. [[Thresh]] tier. Beyond that pretty much looks right. [[Karma]] is lower tier 3 material. I shouldn't have to say why [[Thresh]] is the best support in the game.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified]Totally agree with you. I'll give him his GOD TIER as rightfully deserved. He is just waaaaaaay too strong at the moment. Plus his skin is quite awesome.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I'm also iffy about [[Nami]]'s placement. She has the capacity to be overpowered, she has all the right tools to be so, but they are very hard to use. If she took as little effort to play as [[Sona]] does she'd be so broken. I still enjoy her though. :][/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]You didn't place [[leona]] It's probably worth mentioning [[fiddlesticks]] and [[elise]] as well. Wouldn't place thresh in God tier, but he's probably the top of tier 1. God tier implies that he is so far superior to any other support that he is impossible/near impossible to beat, and I don't think that's true Tier 1 is pretty accurate except I'd move [[thresh]] down to tier 1 Tier 2 - [[Janna]] is too high. She requires a 2v1 lane, because she's so weak in a 2v2 lane [[Blitzcrank]] is probably too high in Tier 2, maybe even tier 3 material Tier 3 - fairly accurate, [[alistar]] might be low tier 2 material. [[Karma]] is a low tier 3, above [[soraka]] maybe above [[nami]] sort of depends. She's get buffs across the board on her kit so that should help her. But her manta CD at level 1 is 45 seconds which is nearly 20 seconds higher than her old mantra (it was 26) and even that was seen as way too long. They need to tune her mantra CD down to like 18 seconds, if that. They could probably increase the ratio on her Mantra'd Q proc as well [[leona]] is probably a mid tier 3 champ, [[fiddlesticks]] is probably mid tier 3, [[elise]] is probably high tier 3 reason for these placements - [[leona]] is an all in champ, fiddle is a niche pick easily countered by taric and sona, and elise is probably a niche pick as well all in all a surprisingly not absolute trash tier list[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]You missed my precious Leona, list is not valid.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Yeah [[nami]]'s hard to place. If someone lands Q with nami, nami's easily within the 2nd tier, but if they suck the D, then nami's probably t3. I wouldn't rank [[janna]] as highly on that tier. She is a god at disengages with her [[howling gale]] + [[monsoon]], and can hold turrets forever with [[eye of the storm]], but she REALLY gets messed up against AoE team comps like AP yi, kat, and champs like MF just to name a couple. Blitzcrank actually might even be tier 3 - just because people legit don't know how to play him. [[rocket grab]] is actually a really tough skill to master, because not only does blitzcrank have to hit a target wiht [[rocket grab]] to be effective at all, but blitzcrank has to hit the RIGHT target with rocket grab. For instance, if a [[blitzcrank]] pulls a karthus, or a galio or someone, that's REALLY not good for a team fight. nunu's actually a really strong support with the kit that he has. However, he is like 100% reliant on your carry to dominate. If your carry has the dumb and always gets caught, he's actually really weak. [[alistar]] is in my opinion, really underrated. He can set up ganks well, does good early game damage, is tanky, has peel, and heals. While cowman lacks mobility, and can possibly be a little mana hungry in the early levels, he is definitely not a t3 pick. He's jsut fallen out of popularity - not fallen out of viability[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][quote=Mooninites] You didn't place [[leona]] It's probably worth mentioning [[fiddlesticks]] and [[elise]] as well. Wouldn't place thresh in God tier, but he's probably the top of tier 1. God tier implies that he is so far superior to any other support that he is impossible/near impossible to beat, and I don't think that's true Tier 1 is pretty accurate except I'd move [[thresh]] down to tier 1 Tier 2 - [[Janna]] is too high. She requires a 2v1 lane, because she's so weak in a 2v2 lane [[Blitzcrank]] is probably too high in Tier 2, maybe even tier 3 material Tier 3 - fairly accurate, [[alistar]] might be low tier 2 material. [[Karma]] is a low tier 3, above [[soraka]] maybe above [[nami]] sort of depends. She's get buffs across the board on her kit so that should help her. But her manta CD at level 1 is 45 seconds which is nearly 20 seconds higher than her old mantra (it was 26) and even that was seen as way too long. They need to tune her mantra CD down to like 18 seconds, if that. They could probably increase the ratio on her Mantra'd Q proc as well [[leona]] is probably a mid tier 3 champ, [[fiddlesticks]] is probably mid tier 3, [[elise]] is probably high tier 3 reason for these placements - [[leona]] is an all in champ, fiddle is a niche pick easily countered by taric and sona, and elise is probably a niche pick as well all in all a surprisingly not absolute trash tier list [/quote] Made a lot of the changes you suggested, they seemed pretty accurate. I personally love [[Elise]] support and I completely forgot about [[Fiddlesticks]]. Though I think [[Leona]] may need to be a little higher... SORRY FOR FORGETTING HER!! [[Janna]] doesn't seem that bad though, she has one of the highest win rates of all champs right now. As with [[Nami]], I am terrible with her, but I think she probably needs to be higher, I just don't know her well enough to judge that.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][quote=Luther3000] You missed my precious Leona, list is not valid. [/quote] Sorry ;_; SHe is all betterer now! I perosnally think she needs some more love too..[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][quote=utopus] Yeah [[nami]]'s hard to place. If someone lands Q with nami, nami's easily within the 2nd tier, but if they suck the D, then nami's probably t3. I wouldn't rank [[janna]] as highly on that tier. She is a god at disengages with her [[howling gale]] + [[monsoon]], and can hold turrets forever with [[eye of the storm]], but she REALLY gets messed up against AoE team comps like AP yi, kat, and champs like MF just to name a couple. Blitzcrank actually might even be tier 3 - just because people legit don't know how to play him. [[rocket grab]] is actually a really tough skill to master, because not only does blitzcrank have to hit a target wiht [[rocket grab]] to be effective at all, but blitzcrank has to hit the RIGHT target with rocket grab. For instance, if a [[blitzcrank]] pulls a karthus, or a galio or someone, that's REALLY not good for a team fight. nunu's actually a really strong support with the kit that he has. However, he is like 100% reliant on your carry to dominate. If your carry has the dumb and always gets caught, he's actually really weak. [[alistar]] is in my opinion, really underrated. He can set up ganks well, does good early game damage, is tanky, has peel, and heals. While cowman lacks mobility, and can possibly be a little mana hungry in the early levels, he is definitely not a t3 pick. He's jsut fallen out of popularity - not fallen out of viability [/quote] Changes have been made, believe you were right on the money though. This seems to be coming together a lot better than I thought it would XD All comments are valid, I don't cre how trash the tier list is, we can rebuild it!![/quote]