Viability of Graves.

[quote=Joshified]High burst, nice mobility, passive that makes him tanky and a unique cc. His weakness, is his short range and lack of items which really help him. He needs [[Blade of the ruined king]] and [[the bloodthirster]], but it is very counter productive to buy both. What do you guys think? I find him to be 'okay' and I love the design of the champ, but his actual adc status is a little lack luster. Was interesting to see him played in the all-star tournament though.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Am predicting a significant upswing in Graves' popularity in the near future as people realize he's actually still good. Caitlyn nerfs don't hurt either.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Luther3000] Am predicting a significant upswing in Graves' popularity in the near future as people realize he's actually still good. Caitlyn nerfs don't hurt either. [/quote] Probably yes, he's a very potent pick vs stuff such as Draven and MF. Though atm you can't pick him on purple side but the patch will fix that.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Smokescreen is the most bullshit skill in the entire game. Fortunately it's on a 525 range champion and no one knows how to use it.[/quote]

[quote=Luftwaffel][quote=Satella] Smokescreen is the most bullshit skill in the entire game. Fortunately it's on a 525 range champion and no one knows how to use it. [/quote] How so? It lasts for only four seconds, is easy to avoid, and isn't particularly damaging at all. Only use I see for it is to for the Graves to run away (due to the slow).[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Yeah but for those four seconds anyone standing inside is completely powerless and has no idea what the hell is happening.[/quote]

[quote=Luftwaffel]I could see it be a particularly useful technique in team fights, but again, it's only four seconds and you can just as easy move out of it. If they attack you from outside you can see and target them. Melee would have to enter it and you would be able to see them. It's not as if someone put a blindfold on you.[/quote]

[quote=Ninja Trigger][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Luther3000] Am predicting a significant upswing in Graves' popularity in the near future as people realize he's actually still good. Caitlyn nerfs don't hurt either. [/quote] Though atm you can't pick him on purple side but the patch will fix that. [/quote] Why is he bad on the purple side? please forgive me for being naive about this.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]No golems, so later lvl 2. You can still pick him on purple side, it's just harder (like every other ADC, not sure why he's special gmd). It helps if your jungler starts red and you take wolves with your support.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=Joshified] He needs [[Blade of the ruined king]] [/quote] Eeeeeh, no? Anyway, I think [[Graves]] is fine. Never really stopped playing him despite the general opinion of him suddenly being weak.[/quote]