Jungle Nation - Jungling Strategy Talk

[quote=Mowen]Deleted / edited offending comments I saw. Tone it down. Keep the discussion about the subject (the video) and not about insulting eachother. If you disagree, you disagree, there is no need to insult eachother.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=C4 Lasty] Stonewalls tier lists are a joke. He has EVERYONE in the game on his lists. For solo que there are really only 8 viable junglers right now. [/quote] Sorry i have no idea who you are and i have known stonewall for a very long time his list is not a joke.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic][quote=cooper56] [quote=C4 Lasty] Stonewalls tier lists are a joke. He has EVERYONE in the game on his lists. For solo que there are really only 8 viable junglers right now. [/quote] Sorry i have no idea who you are and i have known stonewall for a very long time his list is not a joke. [/quote] I would trust C4 over stonewall despite having known stonewall longer. C4 seems to be more serious about the game, and has had more success in ranked. Those two facts lead me to believe that he is more trustworthy of a source. EDIT: I also think that he's quite good at teaching. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=cooper56] [quote=C4 Lasty] Stonewalls tier lists are a joke. He has EVERYONE in the game on his lists. For solo que there are really only 8 viable junglers right now. [/quote] Sorry i have no idea who you are and i have known stonewall for a very long time his list is not a joke. [/quote] Stonewall lets his personal feelings influence his tier list. Hence he has Maokai as a tier 1 junglers. Maokai hasn't been played in a serious game since season 2. My tier list isn't influenced by my opinions but by the effectiveness of each jungler in solo que based on what I see first hand at the D1/Challenger level. I also theory craft with Azingy, Porpoise Pops, and Dolphin Trainer. My list is fact, Stonewalls is opinion. EDIT: Watch the spring promotional qualifier thats going on right now. If someone jungles anyone BUT Elise, Jarvan, Lee Sin, Vi, Aatrox, Nocturne, Xin Zhao, or Eve I'll eat my shoe on cam.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Not to mention Stonewall has that horrid archtype separation on the tier list now...[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]stonewalls lists have been wrong a lot, i remember he said nunu was going to be "the king of the jungle and picked constantly in every game" before he even got buffed, same with nocturne being top tier ban every game, and he put j4 pretty low early on, nautilus too if i remember correctly also Lasty is in diamond 1, that makes him one of the top 2000(i think) best LoL players in NA, it doesnt matter if youve known stonewall longer im pretty sure lasty's game knowledge is going to be better specially since hes a D1 jungle main[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=Mowen] Deleted / edited offending comments I saw. Tone it down. Keep the discussion about the subject (the video) and not about insulting eachother. If you disagree, you disagree, there is no need to insult eachother. [/quote] Delete both comments as opposed to editing them. People can't talk trash and then have the rebuttal edited.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=C4 Lasty] [quote=cooper56] [quote=C4 Lasty] Stonewalls tier lists are a joke. He has EVERYONE in the game on his lists. For solo que there are really only 8 viable junglers right now. [/quote] Sorry i have no idea who you are and i have known stonewall for a very long time his list is not a joke. [/quote] Stonewall lets his personal feelings influence his tier list. Hence he has Maokai as a tier 1 junglers. Maokai hasn't been played in a serious game since season 2. My tier list isn't influenced by my opinions but by the effectiveness of each jungler in solo que based on what I see first hand at the D1/Challenger level. I also theory craft with Azingy, Porpoise Pops, and Dolphin Trainer. My list is fact, Stonewalls is opinion. [/quote] It was just one category Factors: Crowd Control, Initiation, Peeling, Tankiness, Item Reliance, Cooldowns, Transition Mao might a better tank i mean xin is good but his initiation is not as reliable needs to get his autos off and his cc does not last long. Im pretty sure hes not talking about can you carry in solo que with x champion hes talking about whos better tank in the jungle mao is better than xin as a pure tank with cc to with initiation for his team.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Then his tier list is needlessly complicated. I can't imagine why anyone would need jungle Annie ranked. Seems like a waste of time. I stand by my comments and appreciate what everyone has said. I'm going to the movies I'll let them do the talking for me. I mean what I said about there only being 8 playable junglers right now.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Being a better tank doesn't really make you a better jungler, at the end of the day. Lasty is right, Stonewall let's personal opinions influence his lists. For instance, he has a total hardon for utility items, it's pretty obvious how much he favors utility over raw power for the most part. In the tier lists BEFORE the arch type format, he consistantly had pretty much ONLY tanks and utility junglers in the higher tiers. He's pretty biased.[/quote]