Stonewall's Tierlists, the way I see them, don't necesarily refer to a jungler's popularity in the meta but how they perform in X role for the team compared to other junglers.
I listened to his podcast yesterday for his new update and he gives really good explanations that don't seem very biased, tbh. That
Maokai doesn't see a lot of play doesn't mean he's garbage but more about how he isn't that great for the current meta. But HE is one of the best tank junglers currently if you compare him with the rest of the tank jungler champion pool.
The thing is... the meta doesn't favor tank junglers at all. It favors anti-assasins or assasin-helpers (hence why he says
Vi is suddenly a lot more viable now).
I don't think any Tier list is 100% fact, all are a bit opinionated because... well, it's a guy saying who he thinks are the best champions currently.
Nunu & Willump doesn't do a whole lot to stop assasins - he's best at ****ing tank jungler's earlygame so they don't get levels and can't do ****.- But again, tank junglers are **** right now. Hence why people have stopped picking
Nunu & Willump, at least in my opinion.
No one said tha
Aatrox was really good until he started to be picked up in tournaments. That Stonewall didn't predict that (well, he said he could be OP but he needed to see people building him correctly - he admitted he didn't have a lot of idea how to make him work -) doesn't mean he's dumb or whatever.
Just my two cents on the matter. Not saying he's better than you or the opposite - just two different sources - .
I listened to his podcast yesterday for his new update and he gives really good explanations that don't seem very biased, tbh. That

The thing is... the meta doesn't favor tank junglers at all. It favors anti-assasins or assasin-helpers (hence why he says

I don't think any Tier list is 100% fact, all are a bit opinionated because... well, it's a guy saying who he thinks are the best champions currently.


No one said tha

Just my two cents on the matter. Not saying he's better than you or the opposite - just two different sources - .

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The epeen is strong in this one!
As is the hatred in this one it seems.
Have you said anything nice in this entire thread?
Back on topic.
I enjoyed the podcast.
I'll try out some of the tips they offered and see how it changes my games.
There was also confirmation on some points that I've figured out myself, so that's good also.
Thanks for the great podcast and tips guys.
I actually wanted to thank you guys who did that podcast. I watched hole thing took into account what was said. All last night i played just jarvan and lee sin for 10 games and got gold last night. Not sure i just played op champs and got lucky but i finally got gold. I did someone of things you guys said to do actually as jungler and to climb i picked just j4 and lee and went at it. Then i also took some things said like start where your bot lane is i usually thought you started at w/e buff you were better with as that champ, not wasting your time ganking a lane that is far behind i was thought you should gank for them or they will get mad, i instead got all other lanes snowballed. I also started timing all buffs better typing in chat when drag and baron are up again things i never did.
I feel like i'm playing much worse when i listen to these podcasts while playing.
That's a good thing though - you keep it interesting and even as a plat jungle main i've learned a thing from it.
Stop being such a douche in the comments though.
I'd advice you to try and be just slightly more open-minded because you're kinda sounding like a ******ed know-it-all. Think of the possibilities before the limitations of a pick. I'm not saying think of the OPness of teemojungle cuz shrooms but think of the dueling and split-push potential of a jungle tryndamere(i know trynd will be famined in the jungle but it's the best illustration of what i mean that i could come up with)
That's a good thing though - you keep it interesting and even as a plat jungle main i've learned a thing from it.
Stop being such a douche in the comments though.
I'd advice you to try and be just slightly more open-minded because you're kinda sounding like a ******ed know-it-all. Think of the possibilities before the limitations of a pick. I'm not saying think of the OPness of teemojungle cuz shrooms but think of the dueling and split-push potential of a jungle tryndamere(i know trynd will be famined in the jungle but it's the best illustration of what i mean that i could come up with)
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Coop,
I'm glad the podcast help you get to Gold. Keep grinding!
Polse,
I don't care what I come off sounding like, my goal is to educate. If a Harvard educated heart surgeon was about to preform an operation and some yokel with teeth sticking out of the back of his head started telling him his technique was wrong the surgeon would probably have a similar reaction. I know the correct answer 99% of the time so when people argue its very frustrating especially in a thread about my opinions.
I'm glad the podcast help you get to Gold. Keep grinding!
Polse,
I don't care what I come off sounding like, my goal is to educate. If a Harvard educated heart surgeon was about to preform an operation and some yokel with teeth sticking out of the back of his head started telling him his technique was wrong the surgeon would probably have a similar reaction. I know the correct answer 99% of the time so when people argue its very frustrating especially in a thread about my opinions.
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I feel like i'm playing much worse when i listen to these podcasts while playing.
That's a good thing though - you keep it interesting and even as a plat jungle main i've learned a thing from it.
Stop being such a douche in the comments though.
I'd advice you to try and be just slightly more open-minded because you're kinda sounding like a ******ed know-it-all. Think of the possibilities before the limitations of a pick. I'm not saying think of the OPness of teemojungle cuz shrooms but think of the dueling and split-push potential of a jungle tryndamere(i know trynd will be famined in the jungle but it's the best illustration of what i mean that i could come up with)
Whatcha talking about Pølsê? Lasty is god. Lasty's word is law, is the universal truth.

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Whatcha talking about Pølsê? Lasty is god. Lasty's word is law, is the universal truth.
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This gives me an idea for next week. The 10 commandments of jungling.
About to play in the Mobafire tournament. Lets get another W for an actual Moba user!
Whatcha talking about Pølsê? Lasty is god. Lasty's word is law, is the universal truth.
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This gives me an idea for next week. The 10 commandments of jungling.
About to play in the Mobafire tournament. Lets get another W for an actual Moba user!
MyRepublic wrote:
So when should the second episode be on the website?
http://www.twitch.tv/soacgaming/c/3110355 if you want watch now
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