Season 4 Jungle Routes Help

[quote=Bioalchemist]we need a S4 podcast lasty...i am lost without you :([/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]I did one, its up http://sittingonacouch.com/podcast/leagueoflegends/jungle-lol/[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]it affects bot lane just as much as it does top lane lol besides you don't need much of a leash anymore anyway cause you're just going to smite the buff. Just have mid hit it a couple of times too and both lanes are in lane well on time.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]have your adc hit it once and leave while your support stays for a few more AA duh that way your adc doesnt miss anything[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Mid shouldn't be leashing at all. Bot lane can give a decent leash and the support can head to lane a few seconds after the adc and not miss any thing. I'm right on this one. You start where your bot lane is. Smite the first buff, do 1 small camp then smite the 2nd buff. EDIT: Bot lane can actually give a smiteless leash without missing a single CS. I still think you should smite the first buff.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]I just don't see the point when you can start blue just as well which not only increases your clear speed but also allows you to have red buff for more than one gank[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Because you are going to take too much damage from the buff...this really isn't rocket science. Either top gives you a decent leash and he falls behind, or you'll be at least a potion down on the enemy jungler. Every little thing makes a huge difference in the level I play at. Also I've been noticing top junglers just afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game. Literally we've asked ourselves if the enemy jungler was AFK only to see them emerge from the jungle w/ 80-100 cs mark at 15 minutes. Things change, get used to it...or don't. I play Hearthstone now.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem][quote=C4 Lasty] Things change, get used to it...or don't. [/quote] that's exactly what I'm suggesting lol I'm just saying that starting with your bot lane buff isn't always the best option now. There's plenty of junglers that can get away with a poor blue buff leash from top/mid lane and be perfectly fine. Yeah someone like Eve probably needs a stronger leash and it might be in her best interest to start at the bottom side buff. Also don't see a reason why mid lane can't help out with a top side leash. They're not gonna miss out on anything. To me, the benefits of a blue buff start far outweigh the 100 extra damage you're going to take from a slightly worse leash.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=C4 Lasty]Bot lane can give a decent leash and the support can head to lane a few seconds after the adc and not miss any thing. I'm right on this one. You start where your bot lane is.[/quote] This sounds more like the season 3 strategy than season 4, tbh. With the jungler being able to [[Smite]] the first buff, you really don't need that much of a leash anymore. You're right, things do change. Junglers used to not be able to use [[Smite]] on both buffs, now they can. Why wouldn't that open up more options in terms of where he starts? As far as the afk farming goes, yeah, I've noticed Khazem doing pretty much that in most games I've played with him and he gets an incredible amount of gold from it, seems like that is the best way to jungle now.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]I've been ganking at lv4 after a full clear, usually a lane that's being pushed. I ask beforehand so people don't go crazy on me. Always starting on bot buff for a faster clear, but it doesn't matter much since I spam [[olaf]] in the jungle. If I need to start blue, like on some AP junglers, I just help out top a little more so it doesn't fall behind. And I really like playing against this style of heavy farming, I've gotten a few kills counterjungling while these dudes are AFK farming. Sadly, it's not that effective since it doesn't affect them much with all the gold going around, but it can help make the other lanes more aggressive and also secure objectives. Off-topic: [[mundo]] is a pain to play against and a blast to play as in this jungle. But he fits more in this heavy farm style.[/quote]