Need a little help with 2 champs

[quote=bogdan99999]Hello. I am new in this game and I need some advices. I played with Warwick, Ashe and Xin but with the last 2 I have some problems. When I played ADC with AShe and Xin I dont do to much dmg and I dies soo many times. I post here my actual build for them: Ashe: 1) Infiniy Edge 2) Boots 3) Stattik Shiv 4) The Bloodthirster 5) Last Wispher 6) Phantom Dancer Xin: 1) Berserker Graves 2) The Black Cleaver 3) Phantom Dancer 4) Frozen Mallet 5) Hydra 6) Blade of Ruined King / Omen. Is the order ok? Should I change something? Can you give me some advice not to die so many times and to do much more dmg?[/quote]

[quote=SEALynx]My guess would be not so much about your build, but more of how you play the champs you mentioned that makes you die so many times. Also, Xin should be played bruiser and not ad. I recommend lolking guides for both of these champs, I've seen really good guides there for ashe and xin(not that mobafire is bad, you should check the guides here too with caution.)[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]uhhh here: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/xin-zhao-they-will-taste-my-spear-toplane-build-306226 http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ashes-to-ashes-67331 what level are you? how long have you been playing?[/quote]

[quote=bogdan99999][quote=SEALynx] My guess would be not so much about your build, but more of how you play the champs you mentioned that makes you die so many times. Also, Xin should be played bruiser and not ad. I recommend lolking guides for both of these champs, I've seen really good guides there for ashe and xin(not that mobafire is bad, you should check the guides here too with caution.) [/quote] Tnx for help. That site is really helpfull. [quote] http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/xin-zhao-they-will-taste-my-spear-toplane-build-306226 http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ashes-to-ashes-67331 what level are you? how long have you been playing? [/quote] I am lvl 16, so I can say I an not that new. I played a few pvp matches.[/quote]

[quote=Bokonon]Being below level 30 is generally considered "being new" :) If You're dying too much with ADC the problem is probably not in the build, but in your playstyle: AD carries are supposed to stay back and shoot enemies from safe distance, positioning is vital. Also, the Ashe build You posted is pretty much spot on, except it doesn't include a survivability item, like Guardian Angel. Typical AD carry builds consist of boots (zerker's), 4 offensive items and 1 defensive item (not always in that order). BTW Xin Zhao is not ADC, he's a Bruiser.[/quote]

[quote=SEALynx][quote=Bioalchemist] uhhh here: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/xin-zhao-they-will-taste-my-spear-toplane-build-306226 http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ashes-to-ashes-67331 what level are you? how long have you been playing? [/quote] Seen better guides even on mobafire, personally don't recommend those 2.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]lol pls provide your personal favorites than? instead of just making a blank statement. i just looked for two decent guides that were updated for preseason. @bogdan in any case if you are only level 16 you are still very new. it is possible that you believe you do no damage because the enemy out damages you. this could be because they have generated more gold than you during that game and have built items quicker than you have. also masteries play a part in damage or ability to shrug off damage. and yeah as bokonon stated xin is not an adc. right now just try to focus on last hitting minions. that should improve your gold generation which will improve how quickly you can build items which should make your damage output seem better earlier on.[/quote]

[quote=bogdan99999][quote=Bokonon] Being below level 30 is generally considered "being new" :) If You're dying too much with ADC the problem is probably not in the build, but in your playstyle: AD carries are supposed to stay back and shoot enemies from safe distance, positioning is vital. Also, the Ashe build You posted is pretty much spot on, except it doesn't include a survivability item, like Guardian Angel. Typical AD carry builds consist of boots (zerker's), 4 offensive items and 1 defensive item (not always in that order). BTW Xin Zhao is not ADC, he's a Bruiser. [/quote] And on a Bruiser is the same tehnique? 4 offensive, 1 deffensive + boots?[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka]No, bruisers tend to build a whole lot more defensive items and rely on their higher base damages to make them a continuing damage threat. Champions like [[Darius]] and [[Rengar]] (currently) are good examples; even without building any damage items, they can get in and melt a squishy target very quickly. Xin works best like this, building only a small amount of damage and using his good base damages and utility to wreck havoc in fights. I highly suggest something the Xin build already linked; a damage item or two (probably almost always [[Blade of the Ruined King]], maybe also a [[The Brutalizer]] upgrade if you built it for lane dominance) and then the rest as defense (HP and armor items like [[Randuin's Omen]] or [[Sunfire Cape]] are generally the best). Generally you'll want to build the damage item first, as most bruisers have pretty good base defenses, and then follow up with the defensive items, but it depends on the game.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher]Xin with like, BorK, Merc treads, randuins, spirit visage, Triforce and last whisper could solo teams. Teamfighting with zerker greaves, PD, shiv and bc will allow any of their dps to one shot you. Xin can be kited. You go in, get cc'ed or knocked out, and survive long enough to get a second charge. That involves defensive items and some CC. Hyrda, mallet, bc, and hydra aren't good on xin. For offense, try items like triforce, bork, and last whisper.[/quote]