man iggnition,all this people critiqued bad your guide but don't give up,keep training with talon,think again what you build (remember talon is a burst assasin) and give it another try when you want,remember,don't give up :)

@sirell again thanks for your reply i'll have a talk soon then :)

I think it will benefit you greatly to have a talk with Vapora Dark, who is the current no.1 holder of the Talon guide. He is the definitive Talon expert as far as MOBAFire is concerned and he is on the same server as you.

Reading his guide and talking with him should greatly help you understand game mechanics better.

oh and @sirell
special thanks for the long and precise reply, it is actually true, that my kd, cs and winrate in ranked isn't good and since this is the only way to prove someones "skills" i am a noob anyway (and I never claimed to be good aswell)
but 1.) when I first started with ranked most games I fed really hard because I was just new to this system (never played draft before) and I even went to jungling with talon because of the whole mess etc. the point I want to say is that I actually managed to get my 0.3 kd to slightly above 1 in 3 games because afterwards I learned to play more carefully etc. through watching vids etc. as preparations for ranked. Now I haven't been playing ranked for quite a long time because I just want to prepare much more that's why im stuck with those bad stats
Also thanks for telling me to have an "overall picture" of the current game situation since that was my problem in the beginning of ranked where I never really tried to see what I was doing wrong (abscence in tf's etc.) but to counter criticize people flaming at me (well.. typical LoL-community) and I actually even learned that cs is also very important while the game is flowing (clearing waves you pass through jungle etc.) believe me, in the beginning (the first 7 games ?) I had an average cs of 70 hence I had to do about ~150+ cs every game to get my average to ~100 though 150 isn't much at all I know, my average cs in normal games (i just checked) is around ~220 in average (I know pros are going 400 atleast) but for the beginning I think that's acceptable
again, I will try to fix my view about Talon :)

Well to all guys above, Thanks for your reply, I will just rethink about Talon's mechanics and try hard to get out (though I don't get why people surr 20 when they aren't even trying hard) of Bronze :)

That sounds agreeable.

^ Tiamat's core, not necessarily hydra until much later in the game :P; 100% agree with everything else though.

Nope. Bronze IV are complete trash. Why would they know how to properly counter a Talon? They're Bronze IV for a reason, i.e. they don't know how to play the game.

For a start, a good K/D means nothing if you are 1) still losing games and 2) Bronze IV.

People in Bronze (and even Silver/Gold) tunnel vision for that kill and just lose complete sight of the overall picture.

And if you were talking about your ranked stats, you were mistaken:

Not gonna lie, you die a LOT, your CS needs a great deal of improvement if you average 100 CS on one of the best waveclearers in the entire game.

If you're going to talk about normal games, then I'm going to just say that I get away with all sorts of **** in normal games; no one really try-hards there. I mean, just see how that translates into ranked games - you still go 2/8 in win-loss.

And yes, things such as wrong items definitely exist.

For a start, Thornmail is useless for assassins. They don't have any hp to effectively use the armour and you don't stay alive long enough to utilise the passive. Frozen Mallet isn't really any good, since you should really kill the enemy in one burst or Burst->Escape->Reburst and not be using the slow to chase them. Warmog's Armor is alright, but not -that- good. Frozen Heart is bad for the same reasons as Thornmail - no hp to support the armour you have.

Ravenous Hydra is CORE, not optional. In 9/10 situations, Ravenous Hydra is better than Bloodthirster. Similar damage output, but better waveclear and sustain.

It's item choices like these that make Bronze stand out from Silvers and similarly Silvers to Gold.

Welp you're bronze IV, have an extremely negative Talon win rate (aka not successful in the slightest) so you can't really say you're a good Talon player :/, and I don't think you do well every game since not even your personal k/d/a is good. But enough with the personal things, you asked about the items; NEVER get a b.f. sword before Tiamat, that will almost always set you massively behind. All your defensive items suck except GA and TriForce is pretty bad, the only good build you have on the cheatsheet is the one that mirrors Vapora's.

@Lucorian5
Hey, thanks for your voting but please be more precise on the term "wrong items" and "general info" since I can imagine that not everything is right in this guide but that's why I need your help to correct myself and imo something like "wrong items" don't exist in this game since this game is not about building up meta items (though you could say a build with AP on Talon is actually.. wrong but that's not the case in this guide though).
Furthermore I can't say that I'm and inexperienced and unsuccessful Talon player since I am actually able to pull off a good game with Talon every game (even if my start isn't so well I always manage to get back on top) and well... I haven't been playing LoL for too long but I played Talon long enough to claim that I know him well (not perfectly but well). Hope I'll get a reply on this because this post comment seems to be more interesting :D

Sorry bud but as a more experienced/successful Talon player I can say this pretty much sucks. Not downvoting because you're Bronze IV (though that certainly doesn't help) but your items and general info are just wrong.