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Xander756
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Kazega wrote:
Little late to the party here so I'm not reading multiple pages of posts and arguments.
The Crystal Scar is not Summoner's Rift. In order to be a successful summoner here you need to realize this and adjust your gameplay as such.
The screenshots are a huge sham. The Author's team has no way of attack, nor do they have a way of defending, without Volibear on the point to assist the ADCs in the first game, And looking at the other two result screens the team has no way to attack points either. Everyone on every single team the author posted up needs to be dealing damage to win. There isn't anyone who can stand by to keep the tower from dealing damage.
On the flip[ side, the Author's team can't defend a tower either. In the first game Volibear was needed EVERYWHERE. Something that cannot be done. In games 2 and 3 there is a similar issue of not being able to defend, but it is less apparent. However reading the scores I can see that there is a lack of being able to hold points effectively. In fact, most of the 12 captures the author had as Teemo was most likely after a fight at a point that was theirs to begin with, as the number of neutralization is very low.
All in All, the Author's teams didn't know how to, or rather couldn't, attack when they needed to, because they didn't know how to play Dominion, which isn't a terrible thing. Also mentioning that "You deserved to win" is an elitist saying. Dominion relies more on team strength than individual strength. If you want to carry a game stick to Summoner's Rift.
Yes this post is exactly 100% correct and what I was trying to say in the article. Dominion is much more team based. You win and lose as a TEAM. One person cannot carry on Dominion like they can on SR. If your teammates don't know how to play or don't know when to attack/how to defend, then you lose the game. It doesn't matter how good you are or how good you do. You still lose.
In that case where is the Slot machine effect you are talking about? because if I am 100% correct then you are saying that this article is nearly 100% wrong. I didn't lose because you were predestined to lose, you lost do to a series a decisions your team made that led you to be unable to attack/defend points.
Xander756
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Kazega wrote:
In that case where is the Slot machine effect you are talking about? because if I am 100% correct then you are saying that this article is nearly 100% wrong. I didn't lose because you were predestined to lose, you lost do to a series a decisions your team made that led you to be unable to attack/defend points.
The slot machine effect is whether you get teammates better than your opponents. Half the time you do, half the time you don't. You are predestined to lose when your teammates are worse, because like you said, you have to rely on teammates in Dominion and can't be everywhere. If your teammates are worse, they will lose capture points when you're not there. You'll lose those games through no fault of your own. If your teammates are better, they can defend points and attack at the right moments. You'll win those games through no actions of your own. It's all luck.
You didn't lose points because your teammates were worse than you opponents though. in that first game you lost because your team couldn't do **** with out you. Period. Dot. End of story. That is not luck. That is your team making a series of bad decisions. Decisions are controllable. You decided that instead of maybe dodging a loss to press forward to see what happens. Perhaps you might have been surprised. but you weren't because you are somehow convinced that because nothing matters, you are not going to give it your all and rally your team to do better.
Luck is a ****ing myth anyway. There is NOTHING, in this world that can be attributed to straight up "Will of the Gods." Man struck by Lightning? He was walking in a Lightning storm, of course it will happen? Shark Attack? Poor bastard was in Shark infested waters.
Lost a game? well then the other guys were better. NO ****ing Luck invovled. Now realize that this doesn't make you "bad," because Bad is a myth as well, and the term bad is often used as a comparative term rather than a literal term when it comes to gaming.
Luck is a ****ing myth anyway. There is NOTHING, in this world that can be attributed to straight up "Will of the Gods." Man struck by Lightning? He was walking in a Lightning storm, of course it will happen? Shark Attack? Poor bastard was in Shark infested waters.
Lost a game? well then the other guys were better. NO ****ing Luck invovled. Now realize that this doesn't make you "bad," because Bad is a myth as well, and the term bad is often used as a comparative term rather than a literal term when it comes to gaming.
Still waiting for your "Proof"
Right now it's just an assertion
Right now it's just an assertion
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Xander756
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Kazega wrote:
Luck is a ****ing myth anyway. There is NOTHING, in this world that can be attributed to straight up "Will of the Gods." Man struck by Lightning? He was walking in a Lightning storm, of course it will happen? Shark Attack? Poor bastard was in Shark infested waters.
Judge Posner would disagree with you. Here's a blog post in which he argues that literally EVERYTHING is ultimately attributable to luck - http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2012/10/luck-wealth-and-implications-for-policy-posner.html
Might be over your head though.
Xander756 wrote:
The guy that wrote that is not a very good player, and he is Silver ranked. http://penguinrungames.com/images/koravel.png
THis infuriates me. Are you dumb?
You're trying to say that Dominion = SR. You're trying to say that what matters on SR, matters on Dominion. That's wrong. That is completely wrong and you have no idea what the **** you're talking about.
You're saying that your teammates are bad because you're matched with people who are all over the ranked tier spectrum. You're saying that because of this it's random and your chance of winning is random.
Well, no, that's not right. You're in 1000 elo dominion right now. There is 1 revive on your team and there are a **** ton of ghosts in that game = 1000 elo (you can also check your avg elo on team through your games on quickfind.kassad.in).
Koravel is probably around 1800 elo, maybe more. I don't know exactly, but I do know he's around there. He's not a trash player, he carried himself out of Dominion hell (1000 elo, no revives) by himself. He has 1600 wins in Dominion, which is almost triple yours. It doesn't matter that he's silver (although he's currently plat 2 in 3s) because your player skill on SR has basically zero bearing on your player skill on Dominion.
You don't focus on cs'ing (unless you're bot lane, in which case a bit, but it's still nothing like SR), you don't buy the same items, you don't try to stay alive as much as you can, you don't try to kill people as much as you can, you don't wait for your power level to spike before you make ballsy plays, etc.
It's completely different.
Dominion has it's separate elo because of this. In fact most of the high elo dominion players are unranked, silver, or gold, maybe plat. Because they don't focus on ranked, they focus on Dominion. Like I said before, it's completely different what makes you a skilled player on Dominion than a skilled player on SR, and very few people can do both.
If your skill on SR had much effect on Dominion, well then we would have seen teams like C4 Esports and (I believe) Team Curse crush top dominion teams, instead of the other way around (DD#81 for reference).
Slot machines aren't even completely random, but in any case that's not right either. Matchmaking matches you with people who are about equal skill as you. Yeah, even in that Vayne game where you got lots of kills and captures, your other teammates were about as good as you. The other team was too. However the other team had better team comp, and that's about all there is to it to win at that elo.
Not to mention you were probably chasing kills around a **** ton instead of letting them go and defending or capping points instead.
It's perfectly possible to carry in Dominion all by yourself, but an indication that you are good enough to do so isn't whether you had the most captures, or the highest score, or the most kills, least deaths, or assists...it's that you won.
You aren't good enough to carry your team by yourself - you won't win as many games as if you were.
Sauron, for example, is. That's why he's the highest elo player on Dominion.
Why are you losing? Well it's because you're just not a very good player at Dominion. You fail to realize that kills are not what matters, that ghost is not that good, etc etc etc.
You're going to completely disregard this comment anyways - just like you disregarded the comment about Koravel's guide - you'll just say 'meh, that guy sucks because he has a bad SR rank' and stop thinking any more about that. That's why you lose games and are still in 1k elo. Not because there's a '50% chance of winning regardless of anything else'.
It's not luck that determines whether the rest of your team picks revives and good champions and carries the game, it's your elo. Your elo can be raised, that's not luck. In fact almost everything in LoL is falsely interpreted as luck when it shouldn't be.
Well, whatever. Dominate Dominion tournament is tonight at 8 EST, Xander. If you want to see players who are actually good at Dominion play, you should watch the stream. There's a large difference between the low elo teams that sometimes join and the high elo teams that are in the finals.
Xander756 wrote:
Judge Posner would disagree with you. Here's a blog post in which he argues that literally EVERYTHING is ultimately attributable to luck - http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2012/10/luck-wealth-and-implications-for-policy-posner.html
Might be over your head though.
I don't care about what Judge Richard Posner thinks. I am not in a debate with him over teh merits of Destiny vs Free Will. I am debatign with you over your ***inine comments that this game is one based entirely off of ones "luck factor" rather than one's "skill factor" and i have yet to hear any sensible argument from you to retort any of what I have said.
and based on the reading I find that this man is an insecure man who believes that he doesn't deserve what he has by attributing his accomplishments to some divine force rather than his own actions.
The Crystal Scar is not Summoner's Rift. In order to be a successful summoner here you need to realize this and adjust your gameplay as such.
The screenshots are a huge sham. The Author's team has no way of attack, nor do they have a way of defending, without Volibear on the point to assist the ADCs in the first game, And looking at the other two result screens the team has no way to attack points either. Everyone on every single team the author posted up needs to be dealing damage to win. There isn't anyone who can stand by to keep the tower from dealing damage.
On the flip[ side, the Author's team can't defend a tower either. In the first game Volibear was needed EVERYWHERE. Something that cannot be done. In games 2 and 3 there is a similar issue of not being able to defend, but it is less apparent. However reading the scores I can see that there is a lack of being able to hold points effectively. In fact, most of the 12 captures the author had as Teemo was most likely after a fight at a point that was theirs to begin with, as the number of neutralization is very low.
All in All, the Author's teams didn't know how to, or rather couldn't, attack when they needed to, because they didn't know how to play Dominion, which isn't a terrible thing. Also mentioning that "You deserved to win" is an elitist saying. Dominion relies more on team strength than individual strength. If you want to carry a game stick to Summoner's Rift.