The problem with NA inhouses even last summer when I was hosting both sets was the inconsistency among the players on NA. If we're lucky we'll get the same 2-3 players during consecutive weeks, which makes "learning how to balance" with them difficult. Rank / ELO / win #'s only say so much, and with the same player not playing more than 1 or 2 games in a given role, we can't easily determine skill.
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Alright, since this is going to be a gradual progression until we can get inhouses the way we want them to be, next week I am going to enforce the following.
This is all I have so far but it's something, and I hope it'll improve these inhouses.
- Having Ventrilo - you have to be in vent and at least communicate fully through chat/listen.
- I'm going to look into everyone's preferred champion picks/roles so balancing can be a little better.
- Going to have a game sequence starting with a tournament draft (those who want to play a fun yet competitive game may enter), into a another less serious game mode (ie. dominion, URF, hide-and-seek, etc), repeat. (Unless more people want to play a tournament draft).
- After each game is done, I will stay (and whoever else wants too) in the post-stats screen and give constructive criticism to players that have champions that I am familiar with; whether they take that information is up to them but I feel inhouses should be more for learning and improving while having fun. (or I can just list a few players who excel in *insert role here* to give advice).
- I want to try and do a themed inhouse sometime (ie. Ninjas vs Pirates, Noxian vs. Demacia, What's the worst pick in this meta,etc). I feel this would relieve some stress, knowing this is just a themed game.
This is all I have so far but it's something, and I hope it'll improve these inhouses.
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Bryun wrote:
[*] I want to try and do a themed inhouse sometime (ie. Ninjas vs Pirates, Noxian vs. Demacia, What's the worst pick in this meta,etc). I feel this would relieve some stress, knowing this is just a themed game.
This.... sounds really ****in cool.
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BarbJ wrote:
The problem with NA inhouses even last summer when I was hosting both sets was the inconsistency among the players on NA. If we're lucky we'll get the same 2-3 players during consecutive weeks, which makes "learning how to balance" with them difficult. Rank / ELO / win #'s only say so much, and with the same player not playing more than 1 or 2 games in a given role, we can't easily determine skill.
yeah. this. i remember when i used to play regularly and that did help balance, but ultimately even if you balance the teams and put diamond against diamond in lane they are going to roam and team fight against lower elo. people just need to accept that with the current batch of players you will likely be going against someone who is mechanically and mentally better at the game than you. use it as a learning experience. i have gotten beaten outside inhouses by people in gold and plat in lane or whatever and afterwards i had to A) accept that they are better than me B) what did they do to beat me? what makes them better? etc....
also like i said on saturday. we used to have a much larger group show up. they would have high elo games and low elo games. that was the most balanced. but obviously there isn't enough people now for that.
otg kept bringing up the same point over and over. some people play for fun and others play competitively. well it just needs to be set ahead of time that we are either playing for ***** and gigs or not. if it is set to be competitive and you don't want to play competitive than don't play. or vice versa.
or just do aram's all the time. :P
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Actually, from the games that I've played, I've got a few suggestions.
1. Highest ranked player on either team should be doing bans. (This just seems kind of obvious to me, most experienced = generally healthier and more efficient banning phase)
2. Highest Divisions should always be laned vs. eachother. (Having someone like me go ADC, and then top lane stream line feed your akali Bryun is not A ok and makes it extremely silly lmao)
3. Champion picks is an interesting one, generally when people start picking silly things like Kassadin Bruiser top (shotsfired), games start getting lost. So maybe restrict it to more meta/solo queue focused things or just generally have people pick champions that just fit the role.
4. Perspective is one of those things that's tricky, personally every inhouse I've played, I've been dead exhausted due to long days, so I'm not really aiming to tryhard, so I'm generally just filling in for roles and not aiming to do anything other than assist my team. I don't think it's necessarily a problem because regardless players are going to try and win, it's just the effort put behind it is going to differ based on the day they had, the games they played before (if any), and whether they are really feeling like playing.
5. Communication on vent, this is one of those things that can only improve as people play more and more and use it more and more. Nothing you can really change there other than encouraging people to keep playing inhouses consistently.
1. I think is helpful but not always the best choice. During banning phase I the team as a whole usually decides what deserves a ban or not, whether it'd be based on the player's skill vs. the champion. Also, some players like having the ability to pick later in the pick phase for their role.
2. I like this idea but these are inhouses. Not everyone is efficient at every role, I wouldn't mind at all where I am placed. To be honest those games I played
3. This one is a tricky one, while I agree people do poorly with out of the meta picks I've seen it work. I'm all for out of the meta picks but at the same time I don't think it's the pick that's the problem, more-so because of how the champion was played. ie. drakon plays
4. I think this and communication is the major problem. You can have fun, I try to all the time, but I'm still playing at an acceptable level where-as some people tend to go on tilt when playing and give up. I said this in vent, I believe that you should be able to play anything you want, just don't go into a game and play half-***ed when other people are geniunely trying to learn.
honeslty I think it's just a matter of the hosts getting to know their players better.
just balancing people based on their elo/wins/stats isn't going to work because of their playstyles/preferred roles and of course the things you mentioned such as communication/perspective.
When balancing the teams you really need to take into account everything you know about the players. Yes, Elo is a pretty decent way of comparing skill levels overall, but you also need to take into account what role they'll most likely play, how serious they're going to take it and wether or not both teams actually have players that communicate with eachother.
I believe that if you consistently stick around to host the inhouses, you'll start getting a decent feel for it and the games will start getting more and more balanced every week (ofcourse there's always games that are going to end in stomps no matter what, but at least you should be more evenly matched overall)
As I wish we could do this a lot, we don't have a consistent player-base like EUW.
When people used to play inhouses more, I was perfectly fine with balancing because I knew everyone, the players now are new/unfamiliar with eachother.
Also, when I played in EUW, you guys definitely communicate more and all of you seem to know each-other pretty well.
p.s. that's why I'm trying to play on EUW more to see how you guys work. ;)