Ask a Diamond [Week 2: Jungle]

[quote=Janitsu]I'll ask this again because I haven't seen an answer ~ How does one play [[Zac]] nowdays? Guides seem to be outdated (Or they have outdated information) and is he viable?[/quote]

[quote=xIchi][quote=sirell] [quote=xIchi] @[[Udyr]] If you want to play Pheonix Udyr: R>W>Q>E R max as soon as possible, W after that, get 3 points in bear and max Tiger. Example: 1R 2W 3R 4E or 1R 2W 3E 4R and then proceed with the above. For Tiger udyr its the same just swap R and Q. [/quote] I just saw StVicious go Q -> R -> E -> Max R > E > Q > W. Saw Crumbz do a similar thing. What's the thought process behind that? Also a bit lost on items. I don't know his core items - [[randuin's omen]]/[[spirit visage]]/[[banshee's veil]]? [/quote] Q -> R -> E Sounds like a fast first buff, proceeded with an even faster second buff into an early fight / gank without sustain. Maxing R afterwards is a Pheonix build then. Bout Items: Golem / Flare and as a core Randuins/SV and BV if needed. Throw in a trinity for the damagies (tho I am not sure how much you will need a trinity if you have flare)[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Janitsu] I'll ask this again because I haven't seen an answer ~ How does one play [[Zac]] nowdays? Guides seem to be outdated (Or they have outdated information) and is he viable? [/quote] One doesn't play [[zac]] nowadays :p Joking besides, max E in the jungle or Q in lane, get tank items like sunfire cape mixed with some spell pen for the most balanced build. I'd not recommend playing him regardless though.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] [quote=Janitsu] I'll ask this again because I haven't seen an answer ~ How does one play [[Zac]] nowdays? Guides seem to be outdated (Or they have outdated information) and is he viable? [/quote] One doesn't play [[zac]] nowadays :p Joking besides, max E in the jungle or Q in lane, get tank items like sunfire cape mixed with some spell pen for the most balanced build. I'd not recommend playing him regardless though. [/quote] I was never all that fond of [[Zac]] jungle. He just could jungle because he was borderline borken. Atm he still feels like a decent top laner.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]He is quite strong top lane, does well against many of the popular guys right now (can poke and sustain through Shyvana lane, escapes Trundle engages decently, anti-dive passive for Renekton). His jungle is okay, though it is more annoying since the pickup range on his blobs has been reduced. Lots of "kiting" the monsters to pick them up with each spellcast. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1V8RW69y0w]Stonewall[/url] still likes him, and I do as well, but since jungle fighters are more popular right now, still kind of difficult to justify picking him.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Honestly Stonewall sucks. He didn't ever get higher than D5 if I recall correctly and his statements are heavily based upon his personal opinion which often isn't an accurate representation of the state of the game and its meta.[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]Diamond 5 is still the very top of the community, 99th percentile at least. It might not be as lofty as your Diamond 2, but it shows he knows something. I believe he has a lot of useful information for people who are inexperienced. You can disagree, but there's no need to be rude about it. This thread is "Ask a Diamond" though, not "Ask a Diamond 4 or Higher," so his comments are still applicable.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]He's platinum 3 on his main account ;-)[/quote]

[quote=BarbJ]You said he was max Diamond 5, so I don't know what you're getting at by saying he's in Plat now. But if it matters somehow to the validity of his opinion / relavence to the the discussion: [url=http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/215709]Ryrk[/url], a Stonewall "smurf," currently ranked Diamond 5. He's a high ranked player who has thoughts about jungle Zac. What's the problem? If you disagree with the Zac information he gives, talk about that. Don't base your entire point of trying to discredit the player.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]stonewall has been wrong about a lot of things multiple times so i personally dont see him as a credible source[/quote]