Should 3rd Party Apps be Allowed?

[quote=Luther3000]That includes the time it takes to look for it in chat but yeah not everyone is good at doing maths in their head when they're trying to y'know, actually play the game.[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]I think everyone's making too big of a deal with Curse Voice, including you. Most of the people complaining about it have never used it and just assume it does magic and makes you win games with a glance at the minimap. GMD doesn't use it and he assumed you could see an enemy's ult CD, which is incorrect, and a lot of other people probably may think something like that also. I've used it once or twice but it doesn't save me any time nor does it win me any games magically.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It's not a big deal imo, but it is a small deal. I'm mostly worried about what programs people might start using next if Riot don't set a precedent.[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000][quote=missmaw]I think everyone's making too big of a deal with Curse Voice, including you. Most of the people complaining about it have never used it and just assume it does magic and makes you win games with a glance at the minimap. GMD doesn't use it and he assumed you could see an enemy's ult CD, which is incorrect, and a lot of other people probably may think something like that also. I've used it once or twice but it doesn't save me any time nor does it win me any games magically. [/quote] ^agreed. It only saves you from some annoying things like having to caculate when drake and baron spawn istead of just having a timer. Assuming you wrote the time when they spawn in chat, then there isn't any difference except that you don't have to scroll up for 7 hours to see it. Pretty much the same goes for your allies ult timers. edit: Luther why u so fast[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=mastrer1000] edit: Luther why u so fast [/quote] I'm using Curse Post.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I think part of the "deal" with it is that if Riot allows it it obligates anyone who wants to play competitively to use it. It is not a HUGE advantage yes, but it is advantage, and computer calculated timers will always be more accurate than human calculated timers. That is what I see that Riot might be worried about. Obligating people who want to play competitively to use a 3rd party app. They also need to decide if they consider these things part of the skill of the game or if it should just be automatically told to you. That's the two things I see to consider in "to ban or not to ban."[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=Luther3000] [quote=mastrer1000] edit: Luther why u so fast [/quote] I'm using Curse Post. [/quote] Curse Walljump, automagically jump over a wall using skills like Riven's Q. Curse Cursor. Automagically calculate the right position for your cursor to hit that skillshot. Curse Farm, automagically farm a lane. Curse Game, automagically get IP(which would be fatal for ritos profit). EDIT: But the main feature is of course being able to voice chat with your friends. Gap in the market.[/quote]

[quote=Nebrasketball][quote=Luther3000] It's not a big deal imo, but it is a small deal. I'm mostly worried about what programs people might start using next if Riot don't set a precedent. [/quote] This is 100% the issue. Something like this is fine to allow, and it's probably easy agree to stop obvious cheating (like Cass scripts), but what do you do for all the grey area in between? It's just much easier to ban 3rd party apps in the first place than go into endless debates about what should and shouldn't be allowed. The same logic being used to justify timing allied cooldowns can be applied to showing enemy cooldowns. I mean it only takes <7 seconds to time that tf/noc/shen/pant cd, right?[/quote]

[quote=mastrer1000]IMO the best solution would be to ban all the 3rd party apps. They could make excpetions on a case-by-case basis for apps that they do not consider bad for the game.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Nebrasketball] The same logic being used to justify timing allied cooldowns can be applied to showing enemy cooldowns. I mean it only takes <7 seconds to time that tf/noc/shen/pant cd, right? [/quote] Nope. There's a difference between noticing enemy items + knowing their cooldowns and being able to ask your teammates for their CDs.[/quote]