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Ask a Diamond [Week 5: Bot lane]

Creator: Vynertje May 8, 2014 3:38pm

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PsiGuard wrote:

Malphite is a better initiator. That's pretty much the only possible reason you'd pick him as a support.


He's probably the best initiator in the game, heavily agree with this statement.


Face of the Mountain or Talisman of Ascension on Thresh?


Talisman hands down, that boost sets you up for some easy hooks/picks and can change games. You really only want Face of the Mountain if you're against a ton of assassins and you wanna save your ADC.
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When your "teammates" pick something like APC Nidalee for bot (not supp), dogde or pick support/ADC? Story from my game:P
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Nidalee itself as a support is still somewhat viable. Just offers nothing as a support going into late game. As long as she buys a sightstone, just play ADC and deal with it.
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Vynertje wrote:

Nidalee itself as a support is still somewhat viable. Just offers nothing as a support going into late game. As long as she buys a sightstone, just play ADC and deal with it.


The problem with Nidalee as a support is that she really doesn't provide much and she's a poke champion. It's really hard to play a poke champion like Nidalee when you're behind, and you're inherently behind when you play support.
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Firehusary wrote:

When your "teammates" pick something like APC Nidalee for bot (not supp), dogde or pick support/ADC? Story from my game:P


Alright, since I started maining ADC around mid season 3, I can't tell you how many times I've had nidalee support, and here is my wisdom that comes with it. If Nidalee support gets picked before you, you have two options, depending on your division, you can dodge (most nidalee supports lower than gold can't play it very well, hell most in lower platinum up to plat 3 can barely do it), or you can play it out by choosing either Caitlyn or Ezreal, (Caitlyn is preferred in this case because her range coupled with Nidalee spears let you dominate the lane and she can basically 2v1 bot lane with minimal assistance). You also want to test the attitude of the Nidalee, if he/she is giving a "idgaf who you are I'm going AP", dodge. However, if he/she is actually friendly. It's worth trying to play the game, even if they aren't that great of a player, it's a just a more enjoyable experience.

If you end up grabbing a different ADC from Caitlyn or Ezreal and they pick after you, you generally want to dodge, those two are the ones that synchronize best with her along with having an escape should they run into troublesome situations, Varus is good as well with her, but his lack of escape makes him pretty frustrating to use past laning phase against a lot of team comps.
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Firehusary wrote:

When your "teammates" pick something like APC Nidalee for bot (not supp), dogde or pick support/ADC? Story from my game:P

You have two possibilities.
1: Dodge
2: Play the game to be able to report her after you are done.
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^or play with the APC Nidalee and win the game?
Wasn't there some pro team that did APC Nidalee with Fiddle Support bottom?
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I now have two AD pages

one with 2 life steal quints and one with 2 attack speed quints and one ad quint in both


could you tell me which is better on certain ADCs so I can use them most effectively

luvu

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Janitsu wrote:

I now have two AD pages

one with 2 life steal quints and one with 2 attack speed quints and one ad quint in both


could you tell me which is better on certain ADCs so I can use them most effectively

luvu

Well imo it's just sort of what you prefer. Attack speed quints do benefit champions like Vayne, Caitlyn, Lucian more than life steal imo. I'd take life steal for Graves, Jinx, Ezreal etc.

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xIchi wrote:

^or play with the APC Nidalee and win the game?
Wasn't there some pro team that did APC Nidalee with Fiddle Support bottom?


IIRC Dragonborns back in the spring split 2013 did a Soraka + Nidalee botlane vs the old EG team. They won convincingly.
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