Police Violence

[quote=BlueArtist][quote=Latest Legend] No, you said that those officers had committed a crime by shooting those people. But they weren't, in the eyes of the law. [/quote] The Arizona case was the police thinking the poor dude was pulling out a gun, and him unloading two shots right into his torso. There's the Eric Gardner case. Then there's that bastard who shot a kid holding an air gun. Go back to 2001, when two officers shot two unarmed black men 21 times during a botched drug arrest. It's not exactly just "doing their job" anymore, is it? They went overboard. Fucking overboard. [quote][i]deadly force...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.[/i][/quote] Quick search yields that. In all the circumstances stated above, there is no "threat" imminent. A guy just holding his pill bottle, a guy who didn't do shit, a kid who was just playing with an air gun, two guys unarmed. This is a crime by morality, and considering the situations it would and should be a crime by law. Yet they weren't punished. Police use of deadly force has more leeway than the legal use of deadly force by citizens, and why should that be the case when it is abused? There needs to be a serious reform in the system. Police violence is abundant, and it almost came as no surprise when the last incident happened.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=caucheka]because you guys sit here and act like police officers are going around looking for any excuse they can find to shoot black people[/quote] You already went wrong here.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=caucheka]because you guys sit here and act like police officers are going around looking for any excuse they can find to shoot black people when in most cases [u]they kind of deserve it[/u] for provoking a police officer to defend themselves.[/quote] Oh, so the Tamir Rice shooting involved self defense? You mean to tell me that the incident, which is available on video, showing a police car pulling into the lawn of a park, the officers rushing out, instantly drawing their guns against a 12-year-old black child and then shooting him within seconds, then leaving him to bleed out on the ground until medics arrived, you mean to tell me this isn't a problem?[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend][quote=BlueArtist][quote=Latest Legend] No, you said that those officers had committed a crime by shooting those people. But they weren't, in the eyes of the law. [/quote] The Arizona case was the police thinking the poor dude was pulling out a gun, and him unloading two shots right into his torso. There's the Eric Gardner case. Then there's that bastard who shot a kid holding an air gun. Go back to 2001, when two officers shot two unarmed black men 21 times during a botched drug arrest. It's not exactly just "doing their job" anymore, is it? They went overboard. Fucking overboard. [quote][i]deadly force...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.[/i][/quote] Quick search yields that. In all the circumstances stated above, there is no "threat" imminent. A guy just holding his pill bottle, a guy who didn't do shit, a kid who was just playing with an air gun, two guys unarmed. This is a crime by morality, and considering the situations it would and should be a crime by law. Yet they weren't punished. Police use of deadly force has more leeway than the legal use of deadly force by citizens, and why should that be the case when it is abused? There needs to be a serious reform in the system. Police violence is abundant, and it almost came as no surprise when the last incident happened.[/quote]Exactly. So who's at fault here? Clearly the police isn't, because law has stated that what they did was legal. So it's not the police we should be blaming, we should blame the law and legal system in general. If you think it's wrong, of course, that's all subjective matter. My aim was to simply prove that blaming the police for this would be wrong.[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]I do not really want to get back to thst discussion Latest because we do not seem to agree and it serves no particular purpose. For me personal opinion either from a moral or from a practical perspective is of importance. That is what forms the general opinion, in the end. Law often cannot represent society's opinions at the very moment because society advances faster than the law science. Also part of the police is working independently and you cannot blame the law for those operations beforehand. But let's not repeat the same points over and over. In the end, one could say that this issue is a result of certain dysfunctions in all possibly accountant for the incidents sectors. The point with the Bloomberg quote was to say that authority does not always need to go with the flow of society because people are naturally conservative and resistant to change. The average citizen for instance fails to recognize the benefits of a reform in education. In my opinion, the best is to find the balance of both personal goals for society and expectations of the society.[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]I do not know if the video below is funny or pathetic but the news dared to announce "the police officers found Molotov bombs in a bag", when the video shows them putting them in the bag themselves. Oh god...such propaganda, if what's happening in U.S. is out of control, I do not know how to descirbe this. Watch carefully. Sorry for it not being in English... [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbcS4lRNNo][/quote]

[quote=Searz]How can you be sure they didn't open the bag, take one out to inspect and then put it back?[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]Cuz the riots with molotovs started at night. Whoever throws a bottle of water in the demonstrations during the day is kicked out by the rest of the demonstrators.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]That has no direct correlation. You're making assumptions. Stop this stupidity, please. Wanna complain and post a video of police being utterly evil? Post the one where they shoot a 12-year old (which happened just a few weeks ago I believe). Because in that one we know they're doing horrible shit.[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999][quote=Searz]That has no direct correlation. You're making assumptions. Stop this stupidity, please. Wanna complain and post a video of police being utterly evil? Post the one where they shoot a 12-year old (which happened just a few weeks ago I believe). Because in that one we know they're doing horrible shit.[/quote] It's not assumptions...my cousing was in the demonstrations in the morning and I have been in a lot of those. I know how the things work.[/quote]