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Hello everyone!
While listening to some podcast, guys talked a bit about picks and bans and said, that
Kassadin is either banned, or picked and usually team that has him, wins the game. Very true, unless they go like Kassa I faced recently, who got 4x Rabaddon, RoA and basic boots).
So, perpetual question - why Riot doesn't do anything about him, and how to fix him?
To be honest, Kassadin is a victim of his own OPness. He is the ultimate, current meta champ - got silence, gap closer/maker, massive burst dmg, mobility. He kills before you can do squatt as 1v1, the same goes for team fights. Since lvl 6 till the end of the game he is a constant threat and even pros can't deal with him, so he is permabanned.
Sure, he costs only 3150 IP, but why should you buy a champ, that you can play only in custom games and troll picks? (sry, I meant blind picks). One thing is clear - he needs to be fixed, but for now on it seems like Riot pretends Kassa has no problems, or that it is not important. Here are few possibiliites, from which I think only one is the best:
He can be the answer to Kassadin. He is a mid laner with massive dmg output from lvl 6 on, and has a great range (or at least that is how Riot describes him), which sounds like something to counter play Kassa. But if this is the truth, then one of 2 things will always happen:
I don't think this is the right way.
Common tactics. Someone is OP? Nerf him to solve all the problems. I've seen planned nerfs for Kassadin some time ago, don't know if they tried them. I know for sure they abandoned those nerfs they palnned and changed them - strangely - for buffs!! But nowadays they abandoned them as well. Maybe they realized that nerfing will render him unplayable and boosting him will be a pure act of madness.
Gentle nerfs won't change a thing. Drastic ones will rape him so much, nobody will have to ban him anymore - but that is because nobody will play him.
Again - not viable.
I trully believe only a rework will save this poor little champion. If they keep his ulti, change silence for something else. Or give him a skill shot. Or.. whatever. I didn't play Kassadin so much to be able to tell what to do with him... but then again - there are lots of people who can come up with something good. Or Riot itself. It's their game in the end. So why can't they fix him for such a long time?
I don't get it. One possible reason is, there are too many reworks in que already ( Xerath, Skarner, Shaco and who knows what else... ) and he needs to wait a bit more. But Kassadin has a problem for quite some time and nobody does anything about it.
Why so? What do you think, is the problem with this one and how can it be fixed?
While listening to some podcast, guys talked a bit about picks and bans and said, that
Kassadin is either banned, or picked and usually team that has him, wins the game. Very true, unless they go like Kassa I faced recently, who got 4x Rabaddon, RoA and basic boots).So, perpetual question - why Riot doesn't do anything about him, and how to fix him?
To be honest,
Kassadin is a victim of his own OPness. He is the ultimate, current meta champ - got silence, gap closer/maker, massive burst dmg, mobility. He kills before you can do squatt as 1v1, the same goes for team fights. Since lvl 6 till the end of the game he is a constant threat and even pros can't deal with him, so he is permabanned.Sure, he costs only 3150 IP, but why should you buy a champ, that you can play only in custom games and troll picks? (sry, I meant blind picks). One thing is clear - he needs to be fixed, but for now on it seems like Riot pretends Kassa has no problems, or that it is not important. Here are few possibiliites, from which I think only one is the best:
1. VEL'KOZ
He can be the answer to
Kassadin. He is a mid laner with massive dmg output from lvl 6 on, and has a great range (or at least that is how Riot describes him), which sounds like something to counter play Kassa. But if this is the truth, then one of 2 things will always happen:- A: Kassadin won't be banned anymore. But if one team picks him, the other mid laner would be forced to play Vel'Koz. Which is kinda stupid.
- B: if one team bans Kassadin, the other team automatically has to ban Vel'Koz, therefore we wil have 2 permabanned champions. Which is again - plain stupid.
I don't think this is the right way.
2. NERF HIM!! NERF HIM GOOD!!!!!
Common tactics. Someone is OP? Nerf him to solve all the problems. I've seen planned nerfs for
Kassadin some time ago, don't know if they tried them. I know for sure they abandoned those nerfs they palnned and changed them - strangely - for buffs!! But nowadays they abandoned them as well. Maybe they realized that nerfing will render him unplayable and boosting him will be a pure act of madness.Gentle nerfs won't change a thing. Drastic ones will rape him so much, nobody will have to ban him anymore - but that is because nobody will play him.
Again - not viable.
3. REWORK IS THE WAY
I trully believe only a rework will save this poor little champion. If they keep his ulti, change silence for something else. Or give him a skill shot. Or.. whatever. I didn't play
Kassadin so much to be able to tell what to do with him... but then again - there are lots of people who can come up with something good. Or Riot itself. It's their game in the end. So why can't they fix him for such a long time?I don't get it. One possible reason is, there are too many reworks in que already (
Xerath, Skarner, Shaco and who knows what else... ) and he needs to wait a bit more. But Kassadin has a problem for quite some time and nobody does anything about it.Why so? What do you think, is the problem with this one and how can it be fixed?
Because quite a few mid laners are really good at kassadin :P Good enough to not fall all that behind and then make a grand comeback mid game. If the person playing kass on your team managed to stay ahead while playing poorly then that's the enemy mid laners fault for not punishing him when they had the chance :3
His silence is also quite problematic later on in the game cause it allows for catching people offguard and leaving them no means of reacting unless they have cleanse/qss. If somebody gets caught and has a 70 sec respawn timer then things are bad for your team =D
He's still really, really strong but not impossible to deal with as most people make him seem :3
Or he could really be that overpowered and kassadins at gold III just suck a lot, who knows.
Actually, her last post (at least to me) jsut screams - you think Riven is OP? You are Siver noob. While it is true I don't see the "tone" of that, it goes both ways imho. Don't you think?
I certainly did not grasp that it was a question why I didin't get to diamond with Riven.
After all she said I just thought she continues to mock me - and hand on heart - she didn't use exceptionaly well suited words for that. If you know her better, maybe you can read it as a very nice, gentle replay. To me it was just rude. And usually I treat people the same way they terat me - you are nice, I am nice. You want to be rude? Well, I can be an ******* as well. :)
If this all is just a misunderstanding, I am ready to settle it down via PM before things go fubar.
And if that post was really a question, well - I don't like Riven. To me she is not fun to play, and boring. And while I would like to climb elo ladder, most important for me is to have fun and feel right when playing my chosen champions. I'm not aiming for LCS or something, so I am not going to play champs I don't enjoy, just because they can easily get me "up there". That's all. Same goes for Leona, Sona and few other champions I tried and didn't like so far.
Dear Satella, I'm sorry it's that part of the month again and you want to vent your frustration on me, but you are barking under the wrong tree.
Implying that I am stupid just by my ranking, is so low, I thought even you would stay away from that. That is common rage kid tactics of Bronze 3 players. So gj so far. Really mature.
Instead of telling me why I am wrong, you just say I am wrong because I am Silver 3 on EUNE (btw I'm Bronze 1 now, since new season started, I don't play rankeds as much and the MMR changed ;) )
Well that was an unnecessary blow. All that satella said is that if Riven truly was such an easy way to win your ranked games, why you didn't get high elo yet. This is a fair statement. Why you didn't play Riven yourself and get all the way up high? If it is just simple facerolling. Now of course you do not necessarily pick your champions to win, but saying that something is just faceroll winning does sound a bit silly indeed.
When did she say she intents to humiliate you? When did she say she is frustrated? Why are you assuming that satella is a bad person?
Unlike you. :)
First of all, being a scout means you got over 150+rep and the admins didn't have a reason to demote you (demotes occure very rarely). This +rep can be gained by doing anything, depending on the people that are repping. Second of all, in this discussion, you assume that satella is some kind of evil witch that tries to destroy you, which is quite rude actually. You make a silly statement, satella tries to make clear how silly that statement is. You respond by saying that she is a bad scout, not quite fair, is it?
I know this is an unnecessary long reply about nothing really, but you should realise that things might not be meant as negative as you might've understood. It is better to avoid assumptions on internet discussions, since they most of the time wrong, simply because you cannot read a tone. Just read what it says, nothing more, nothing less. It avoids unnecessary discussions about nothing :P
Implying that I am stupid just by my ranking, is so low, I thought even you would stay away from that. That is common rage kid tactics of Bronze 3 players. So gj so far. Really mature.
Instead of telling me why I am wrong, you just say I am wrong because I am Silver 3 on EUNE (btw I'm Bronze 1 now, since new season started, I don't play rankeds as much and the MMR changed ;) )
If you are frustrated that you can't play noob stomping champion anymore, you should work on your game play, not trying to prove something over the internet. Because by humiliating me (well, actually you just showed how childish you are after all), you are not going to win more matches. I'm sorry.
Hmm.. I just realized you are a SCOUT. That means somebody had to promote you to your ranking. I thought only mature people will get above "Member" status. Maybe they made a mistake. Promoting someone, who can't and don't even try to accept other's points of view, is very bad in places like this. How can you scout, if you can't see anything? Just look at the other posts. People generally disagree with me on Riven, but at least they have enough brain to say it in appropriate way. And now I know why they think Riven is a hard champion. Basically we still disagree and we could have a very long (and I am sure quite interesting) discussion about that, but I respect what they said and understand why they think that.
Unlike you. :)
Over here I'm scratching my head wondering why you think certain champions are braindead easy to play and are still in EUNE Silver III.
Well, I've always had trouble playing her outside of troll-support pick. I mean, I think I've played about 10 tryhard games with her and only done well and won in one game. And it was a ranked jungle game. The other 9 times just see me fail miserably with her.
Sounds like she is not your kind of champion. I got the same problem with support
Riven is FAR from an easy champ o-o
She wasn't THAT overpowered before the nerfs, she was just popular and strong. Being popular and strong leads to a lot of players picking her up and a lot of players getting stomped by the same champion due to her popularity which then leads to people crying about it and then leads to nerfs.
I tried her on my friend's account. She has shield, stun, gap closer/maker, and got ranged ulti. If you build her full dmg, anyone who you catch alone in late game is going to die. If you build her tanky, she can still perform well. Maybe I just got unskilled oponent, but I tried her in normal after 2 or 3 bot games, and has quite easy time on top, despite the fact I played that lane just few times. But I felt she is very unforgiving. My friend, at that time also was not a very good player, and he was winning top anytime he was playing her. That leads me to my conclusions. Maybe it is just alack of information, but it felt like this.
Kassadin also isn't that overpowered. You simply need good teamwork and coordination to make him relatively useless. His laning phase is also ****, if you know how to play your cards right you should be around ~25ish cs ahead at all times, even more considering it's solo Q. Mid game he won't contribute much compared to yourself if you have a huge cs advantage. If he decides to roam, pressure his turret. Then he can't roam :p
He's just THAT good in solo Q for the reason most snowbally champs are, teams lack coordination =D Don't get me wrong, he's strong, just not as strong as you seem to make him out to be :p
Didn't play true 5v5 (with steady team of friends, skype and such) so I can't say. You make the point, but then again - why is Kassa banned so much also in pro plays? Because he doesn't fit the team comp they want to run? It's just that?
Soon, I'm going to have more info, as I came up with a strategy how to evaluate
Yesterday I had him on my team. Despite the fact, that player had very poorly knowledge of objective importance, how to build him, run away from any team fight that happened and was always recalling (even with 80% of health, full mana, just 3 min after he came back to lanes), during laning phase he was dominating very hard and enemy mid with jungler couldn't do anything about it.
She wasn't THAT overpowered before the nerfs, she was just popular and strong. Being popular and strong leads to a lot of players picking her up and a lot of players getting stomped by the same champion due to her popularity which then leads to people crying about it and then leads to nerfs.
Kassadin also isn't that overpowered. You simply need good teamwork and coordination to make him relatively useless. His laning phase is also ****, if you know how to play your cards right you should be around ~25ish cs ahead at all times, even more considering it's solo Q. Mid game he won't contribute much compared to yourself if you have a huge cs advantage. If he decides to roam, pressure his turret. Then he can't roam :p
He's just THAT good in solo Q for the reason most snowbally champs are, teams lack coordination =D Don't get me wrong, he's strong, just not as strong as you seem to make him out to be :p
Or there is the other solution...remove him from the game. Heh...
Please tell me more about how you rollfaced into Challenger with such a noob pick.
I never said anything like that, so I really don't know how did you come to that conclusion. But I would love to hear about how you can't master such an easy champ :)
Please tell me more about how you rollfaced into Challenger with such a noob pick.
Like when Riven mid used to be considered trolling and now when I play her and win people whine about me playing an "overpowered champion" despite the fact that she's been nerfed to the ground. Instead of following pro players blindly actually ****ing use your brain to figure out why they do things. 5v5 LAN play != solo queue. Kassadin is indeed highly disruptive and one of the best roamers in the league, but he's nowhere nearly as good as his banrate seems to indicate.
Nerfed to the ground? You mean those gently nerfs that balanced her early game? I still see good players kicking *** with
But about Kassa - I agree with the thing about finding a way how to counterplay him. Thing is, nobody found that yet. Not even pros. And that says something, isn't it?