Garen Build Guide : [25.10] Challenger Garen Top Guide :: League of Legends Strategy Builds

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Hey Federals1 🫡
Haven't been a pain in the *** for you in a long time, I just remembered an item with Damage Build Garen
Have you tried Unending Despair by any chance? I can imagine in my mind you being healthy in a 1v1

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I don'find it that good on Garen even with a bruiser build. Too situational on the heal. Plus Garen likes to go in, do his combo, then run away with Phase Rush, so you never even heal. It might be okay for bruisers builds that focus on sitting in melee range to 1v1, but I don't really like it.

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Nevermind Im dumb, I didn't read the item right ahaha

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Berserker Greaves not worth building anymore?

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You can still buy them, just not as often in my opinion. They're more situational now and Swifts have more value overall.

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Any advice VS. Warwick? I tried following what you have in spreadsheet but it wasn't enough. That champ takes 2 DMG items, goes full tank with steraks and still 1v1 me

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The biggest thing you need to do vs him is play around his E. If he doesn't use it and you are full spinning on him you are probably gonna kill him. You can also take Serpent's Fang for his Sterak's and if he also has Barrier it's even better. Generally your 3 item spike it better than his, just go in and get him to half hp the first time and then go for the heavy all in the second time. Play fights slowly, and lane especially so. He doesn't scale great into the late game.

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Well I did briefly and tried to put him low HP, the issue is the champion with Bork and Q heals back to full and Garen passive takes longer than that, we got to a point where we were both full build and the build he had he would not die

Bork
Strikebreaker
Steraks
Randuins
Spirit Visage

I had every item to deal with this and still could not 1v1 him

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Quick question and suggestion.

Maybe at the end of the guide you could do a Patch Notes style thing. And tell what you changed and when on the guide for people to know what to read new.

And I Saw you have 8.2 on the guide, I am guessing it is because you havent added the threats/synergies section.

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I just placed some theats/synergies in that section, it's just that I didn't place any text for the threats because I already explain it extremely in detail on the actual matchup spreadsheet. As for the rating, the way mobafire guides work is that you don't actually start at a straight up 10, I think it's something like 8 and likes/dislikes affect it a lot, like A LOT. that single dislike bumped it down to 7 at one point if I remember correctly.

I could also add a changelist at the end of what I update, that's not a bad suggestion and I might look into doing it on this guide as well as the other guides as well. I might be especially good with the new split, but I will need to think about it a bit more, but thanks for the suggestion.

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Oh I see, thanks to let me know that. No issues on the suggestion

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Is it just me or I didn't see any Dorans Blade start like you mention on your guide? (In spreadsheet)

Also how is Lethality build testing going?

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yeah I personally never take it, D shield is too good, but you CAN run it if you want to. As for the lethality build, it doesn't work that well, just going crit or bruiser is basically always the go.

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Ok D Shield it is

Garen crit is just top good.

Need to check Conqueror match Ups. ONLY Saw Fiora in it
Also, Camille or Mordekaiser, what should be banned?
As a main Ornn I ban Fiora a lot

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camille ban is good, mord is good, darius can be ok

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Ty

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Just got my *** kicked in Lane by Darius with Ignite? Any tips?

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Play safe early on, he can't chase you down becausd no Ghost. Survive until 1-2 items and you're fine. Respect his lethal ranges!

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I really tried that, I know I cant farm much because of his all on, I know I cant engage because that Will trigger Phase Rush and if he holds E I AM dead, so I need him to use E and then Phase Rush away. I don't know, but put me low enough under tower that he would all on me with Ignite.
Maybe I just played it wrong and its not a common playstyle.
Just to be clear, I still go flash Ignite vs Darius Flash Ghost right?

Edit
Oh I just Saw you posted the match up spreadsheet, just read the Aatrox build path and was wondering something.
LS says the anti heal items should not be finished unless they provide value to the champions kit, like Rammus, Malphite, Ornn getting more damage the more Armor they have, so finishing Thornmail gets value.

On Garen VS. Aatrox you say to go
Berserker Greaves, Executioners Calling, Stridebrealer, Mortal Reminder
Since Aatrox does not build Armor until later game (if at all, Lethality Aatrox is meta right?)
Would it make more sense to go
Boots
Exe Calling
Stridebrealer
Phantom Dancer?
Since you just want the 800 item for the anti heal?

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sure, it can work as well. I just rush full boots because I wanna make sure I can dodge Aatrox Q as much as possible.

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Thanks for everything and sorry with all the questions ahaha
You actually reply really fast

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no worries man!

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Hey there, quick question. As Warmogs is getting nerfed again, you can only go last item if you have Strikebreaker, Warmogs and Resolve Runes right? Other wise if you go crit on the rest of the build Warmogs won't proc right?

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Yeah, without Stride hp you won't get the Warmog's effect, though honestly a more reliable build would be having Sterak's instead of Warmog's as the last item. Sterak's is much better in teamfights and the damage is also really good, while Warmog's gives you very good map pressure and the ability to regen from 1% health to 100% in less than 20 seconds, so if you split push and they don't kill you, you're back to full hp in a very short amount of time.

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Right but stride and Warmogs only gives you 1450 total, so Warmogs won't proc. Need at least Overgrowth right? Or is 1 scaling HP shard enough?

Regarding last item, currently I climbed mostly to Plat 1 with Garden
I am a main Ornn/Shen but my team always throws. With Garen at least I split push and provide value.

Usually this is the order I go on items, since it is low ELO

Berserker Boots
Strikebreaker
Phantom Dancer
Infinity Edge/Mortal Reminder
Mortal Reminder/Infinity Edge
Dead man's Plate/Serpents Fang
Zephyr

Not sure what champion can 1v1 vs full DMG crit, could you tell me some?

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Yeah, normally you do it 1 of 2 ways:
Either Stride and then right after Warmog's with at least 1 hp shard/ overgrowth, or dead last. The stride into warmogs is into some super specific scenarios and it can work okay ish. The only other time where you don't do this is if you want to perma split and you do something like Stride, hullbreaker and then warmogs, this is an insane split pushing build to just piss off your opponent, but very situational.

As for who can 1v1 you have some specific stuff, such as Mordekaiser with randuin, you can beat him if you take serpent's fang instead of dead man's tho, Darius if he has phase rush to keep up with you, kayle can 1v1 you if her ult timing is good, vayne can 1v1 you if she kites well. These would be some of the ones that can out 1v1 you late

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Thank you for the feedback, in my eyes I see those MU as you said in the guide, you trade One time with phase rush, and then they are low to all on with ult.

VS Mordekaiser do you go Conqueror? When to build Serpants? 2nd item?
VS Vayne what runes do you take? Edge of the night good vs her always?

I am always on doubt when to take phase rush ou Conqueror on certain match Ups for example Camille. Could you give more details on when to take?

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I will make a matchup spreadsheet, tomorrow I will actually start working on it on stream so if you wanna see that you can tune in. I typically don't like taking Conqueror into most matchups, and that includes Camille. I think I only take Conqueror into Fiora and that is 100% needed, you can also do it into Aatrox if you want to. Phase rush vs mord, u can't do conq he will run u down and vayne is good with edge of night second item + ghost. Serpent's fang second into mord as well seems to be the most reliable way to beat him, you can also try stridebreaker into warmog's armor, which will actually give you insane tankiness and if you can survive his ultimate and live even on 10 hp you will be able to regen to full and punish him. Something like stridebreaker into warmog's into serpent's but so far no real answer to mord that will win you 100%.

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Thank you so much for everything.

You mentioned Conqueror into Atroz I think that Champions heling is disgusting. I usually take Phase Rush to escape him.
I Saw a short video on how to counter aatrox and it was buiilding GW and Deaths Dance.
Here is the video if you want to watch and give feedback.
https://youtu.be/5wr1Xv6FchQ?si=OzAdwO6XZkoJ9lIw

Not sure if it is an item to consider INTO aatrox ir not.

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Just doing Executioner's is good enough, you can also do Serpent's Fang if he has Eclipse and the enemy team has a lot more shielding.

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Wait you don't finish Mortal Reminder?

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You do but later, like you finish the item but you don't need to rush it straight up.

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So stridebrealer, executioners, Serpants fang, mortal Reminder?

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Yeah, it can be good

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Thank you

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Hey there, quick question. As Warmogs is getting nerfed again, you can only go last item if you have Strikebreaker, Warmogs and Resolve Runes right? Other wise if you go crit on the rest of the build Warmogs won't proc right?

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