actually its ca. 80 AP from runes and I get rabandons very fast because I got the best farming skills/items And I already said in the guide that if you have strong opponents you should use my second or third guide so please read my complete guide carefull before you make some comments -__________-

But what do you do until then? Getting Rabadons (especially if you're not mid) will take a fairly long time. 42 AP end game is nothing much compared to a better early game.

If you have the armour you'll be better early game, if you get HP/lvl then you will have 180hp (which is worth about 400hp with your resists you sport) end game.

The Red Mpen with give you 9% extra damage... I think 9% of 500-700AP is a lot better than 20AP from those marks.

Yeah but as you see, after the second item you normally have to buy defensive items, and if you have ZR and QS, and you keep the ball at Orianna you have about 120-140 armor/magic resist, so you dont really need such runes, and you gain 20+40% mp from SS and VoidStaff, and with those runes I take, I normally have about 500-700 AP at end game

Yeah Rylai's is useless you're better off with Giant's Belt and Morello's. You already have slow on Orianna.

I would strongly advise against having AP/lvl red+yellow; more useful with Mpen red and m/5 or cooldown or HP/lvl yellow.

Thats why I take then some items which give me armor/magic resist instead of health/AP

Since you didnt like the slow of the rylais, I suggested a cheaper item with a better health gain, simmilar AP which eventually becomes better over time(twofold, because of the mana stacking and AP stacking), and some extra mana to boot. The only conclusion I can come up with is that you didnt fully think through the Rylais or you can't see how they compare to eachother. I admit the RoA took a while to make in my early builds and wasn't helping much, but the Merc Treads and skill sequences you've suggested have given me a better chance of surviving, and a faster farm.

Maybe you think so, but normally BV is a lot more usefull, to prevent enemies from stunning you.And btw I say that RoA is useless, because every Orianna who bought RoA was beaten by me very easy

Lol, RoA not useless. IMO Orianna should be played as a support/offtank champion, and RoA is very effective in that regard.

No, RoA is totally useless for Orianna, you should better take banshees vail

So Should Rylais be replaced with a Rod of Ages? More Health, same AP, but more mana that will also stack nicely with the .03% from the Archangels Staff, so an effective 21.75 extra AP at the 10 minute mark. It's also slightly cheaper and the catalyst has a nice passive if you haven't already gotten to level 18 yet, I'm gonna test it out and let you know what I think.

all of her abilities are multitarget, but I noticed in my last games (these were 4 ranked games), that it is better to take items like abyssal scepter or guardian angel first, because the 15% slow doesnt give you an advantage. The only situation when you need your slow, is when you are chased by an overowered enemy, and then its better to use Command:Attack, placing the ball in font of the enemy, Command:Dissonance to slow him down, and then shield yourself