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Rito please :) Talon Build Mage-Meta updated
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Talon Guide
Rito please :) Talon Build Mage-Meta updated
Is Talon still good even with the new CD and mana nerfs??
Not gonna lie, it's quite the substantial nerf. But i think it was deserved, being able to ult go back and almost have ult up again early is pretty OP. At least they left the damage intact, but they still didn't remove the q bug where you get mana back if you don;t use it, but w/e. Things will be harder, you can't really make many assassinations mistakes, especially early game. But, he's still strong. :D
If this is your 1st guide then I would be really happy to see more of them. So Death's Dance only if ahead? I'm in low elo,could I benefit from that item if I grab it if I don't fall behind? To use advantage of their wrong placed ADC or something like that? I think Talon, Zed and Yasuo are pretty strong in this new season. What do you think about Talon? I was Pants Are Dragon said he can even jungle now. So it seems he's clearly buffed from these new items, no?
Well 1st things 1st, i am sorry it took so long to respond to your post, things have been really hectic over here. Death's Dance is a great item for both survivability and sustain, but i believe than there are simply better items to choose from. It's not bad, depending on the situation it might be a really good choice, since it converts burst-damage into bleed=damage-over-time, which is healed by the damage you deal. basically, if you deal enough damage, the 12% converted to bleed is healed, maybe even more depending on the situation, because talon has a lot of AOE. The "buff" to LW pretty much screwed talon, a lot, since his 100-0 power-spike now comes along with his 3rd, maybe even 4th completed item, instead of the old Tiamat+Youmuu+LW. talon was "jungleable" before too, and i don;t see a very big difference between then and now when it comes to this.
If you have anything else to ask, JUST DO IT !! xD
Cleanse doesn't remove suppression. Its really quite useless (at least on Talon). I wouldn't have it as an option, even for Malzahar. Especially considering QSS removes Malzahars E as well as the supression.
Dude i did say, i almost never take it and that i don't recommend it. yea i see your point, but, idk, you are the one doing the bursting, not the one who needs to get away.
OK, first thing first: thank you for the reply.
For me a match-up is either hard or easy, and i don;t feel like going into lane with 2 refillable pots that only give 200 health total. If i am ganked or poked out, especially if that happens early, i will lose a lot of Exp and that can hurt me pretty bad in lane. You can do it, if you are certain your jungler will help you.
I agree with you, DeathfireTouch, in terms of sheer damage, is way better on talon than anything else. 2nd, if for some reason you are wasting an ult, the enemy will go for objectives as soon as possible because it's a well known fact that Talon has no constant stream of dps. This is a Choice i make, and it;s also situational. Depending on the game i can also go black cleaver, since it synergies so well with your q.(Black Cleaver + Trinity Force,,, bad ideea, double cleaver passive, but i think you already knew that)
IE is awesome on him, and will be for ever and ever. Catching a 1.6k crit on the adc and seeing them spam the chat gives any assassin main a warm and good feeling. Btw highest Talon crit i managed to get (in season 5, without help from other champions and without using critical runes, was 4256)
Maw of Malmortius is very very situational. I will take Max only if i go against a fed leblanc/ziggs/viktor/azir (there might be some more champions i can;t think of now) but vs champs like fizz liss, qss is definitely the way to go. Ofk, nobody says you can;t get both:D
It's not about the 10 AD at level 18, by that point it doesn;t matter anymore, it;s about 3.3 AD at level 6, and it's also about my playstyle. In most of my games, i don't upgrade Tiamat to Hydra, until minute 30 at least. Some times i just get everything else and only after upgrade it, because from my point of view, spending money on lifesteal, that could go to damage instead is more important. You essentially spend 2350 to upgrade it, and you only get 45 AD+passive+lifesteal. 2350 in sheer AD is about 70 AD.This is why i;ve been told i play talon as an assasin only and not as a fighter at all.
Yeah, I rarely upgrade tiamat till very late. the waveclear is still there with the active and rake. The cost reduction is pretty nice for tiamat since it allows you to build arpen and cdr into youmuus sooner.
As far as lifesteal goes, talon isnt much of a fighter, but for late game there have been times where i was able to delete the adc then run by and auto the mid to death with crits and lifesteal. But youre totally right in terms of leaving it for last. I was just speculating about deaths dance but triple lifesteal is probably a bit overkill. Could you tell me a more in depth explanation about the Essence Reaver as well? One more thing about taking the refillable potion early is the corrupting potion has a dot on it which adds to your bleed/DFT/overall damage in lanes where you have the opportunity to poke alot but all in is a bit more precarious (just speculating here). But if you buy it early enough with leftover gold it could be of some use. yeah, again thanks for the input and feedback.
Great guide man, I thought talon was a goner after the preseason changes. I've had about 200,000 mastery points in talon across my accounts and it makes me happy to see hes still playable, and still strong at that. Here are my thoughts on his new build paths.
I like the stormraiders surge passive but deathfire touch has so much more snowball potential I have to go with that just because of the raw damage.
Unless I really cant hold my lane, I usually start longsword and refillable potion and upgrade that if i need it into a corrupting potion.
Tiamat and youmuus are core on him no matter what but the order you get them or their components is more up to preference as long as you stay efficient with it.
QSS is one item ive REALLY started to like. (Sweet tip bro) Merc scims new build path also helps synergize with youmuus and ravenous hydra. Not many talons i've seen take advantage of this item.
Now as far as the essence reaver goes I have mixed thoughts. if you buy it early you can put the mana passive to good use, but I think that late game his mana problems are negligible. The cdr is nice but if you need cdr I think black cleaver is better.
Trinity force looks really nice on him because of the extra q damage, extra movespeed, no more useless ap, and attack speed is actually kind of nice for all the lifesteal he has going on. It also has the same crit as essence reaver and even a little bonus mana. I'm a little torn between TF and ER but i think TF gives him better stats.
IE is still good on him.
I think maw is just outclassed in terms of survivability by qss and is really situational.
Deaths dance is a really interesting item because of the spell vamp lifesteal mechanic. It should also be noted that its bleed is qss-able essentially giving you a 12 percent damage reduction outside of the lifesteal/vamp you already have plus the ravenous hydra and the merc scim lifesteal.
Awesome guide and i cant wait to see how talon evolves as the season continues.
Also, any particular reason to take natural talent over vampirism? it seems like 10 ad at level 18 isnt worth the tiny bit of sustain early.
OK, first thing first: thank you for the reply.
For me a match-up is either hard or easy, and i don;t feel like going into lane with 2 refillable pots that only give 200 health total. If i am ganked or poked out, especially if that happens early, i will lose a lot of Exp and that can hurt me pretty bad in lane. You can do it, if you are certain your jungler will help you.
I agree with you, DeathfireTouch, in terms of sheer damage, is way better on talon than anything else. 2nd, if for some reason you are wasting an ult, the enemy will go for objectives as soon as possible because it's a well known fact that Talon has no constant stream of dps. This is a Choice i make, and it;s also situational. Depending on the game i can also go black cleaver, since it synergies so well with your q.(Black Cleaver + Trinity Force,,, bad ideea, double cleaver passive, but i think you already knew that)
IE is awesome on him, and will be for ever and ever. Catching a 1.6k crit on the adc and seeing them spam the chat gives any assassin main a warm and good feeling. Btw highest Talon crit i managed to get (in season 5, without help from other champions and without using critical runes, was 4256)
Maw of Malmortius is very very situational. I will take Max only if i go against a fed leblanc/ziggs/viktor/azir (there might be some more champions i can;t think of now) but vs champs like fizz liss, qss is definitely the way to go. Ofk, nobody says you can;t get both:D
It's not about the 10 AD at level 18, by that point it doesn;t matter anymore, it;s about 3.3 AD at level 6, and it's also about my playstyle. In most of my games, i don't upgrade Tiamat to Hydra, until minute 30 at least. Some times i just get everything else and only after upgrade it, because from my point of view, spending money on lifesteal, that could go to damage instead is more important. You essentially spend 2350 to upgrade it, and you only get 45 AD+passive+lifesteal. 2350 in sheer AD is about 70 AD.This is why i;ve been told i play talon as an assasin only and not as a fighter at all.
I like the stormraiders surge passive but deathfire touch has so much more snowball potential I have to go with that just because of the raw damage.
Unless I really cant hold my lane, I usually start longsword and refillable potion and upgrade that if i need it into a corrupting potion.
Tiamat and youmuus are core on him no matter what but the order you get them or their components is more up to preference as long as you stay efficient with it.
QSS is one item ive REALLY started to like. (Sweet tip bro) Merc scims new build path also helps synergize with youmuus and ravenous hydra. Not many talons i've seen take advantage of this item.
Now as far as the essence reaver goes I have mixed thoughts. if you buy it early you can put the mana passive to good use, but I think that late game his mana problems are negligible. The cdr is nice but if you need cdr I think black cleaver is better.
Trinity force looks really nice on him because of the extra q damage, extra movespeed, no more useless ap, and attack speed is actually kind of nice for all the lifesteal he has going on. It also has the same crit as essence reaver and even a little bonus mana. I'm a little torn between TF and ER but i think TF gives him better stats.
IE is still good on him.
I think maw is just outclassed in terms of survivability by qss and is really situational.
Deaths dance is a really interesting item because of the spell vamp lifesteal mechanic. It should also be noted that its bleed is qss-able essentially giving you a 12 percent damage reduction outside of the lifesteal/vamp you already have plus the ravenous hydra and the merc scim lifesteal.
Awesome guide and i cant wait to see how talon evolves as the season continues.
Also, any particular reason to take natural talent over vampirism? it seems like 10 ad at level 18 isnt worth the tiny bit of sustain early.
This is a nice Talon Guide in the new season.. Have you thought about putting 18 points into cunning for Stromraiders Surge or Thunderlords Decree? Im wondering if you would have greater burst going with ThunderLords Decree, or the utility from Stormraiders Surge would be good at finishing targets or escaping after diving into people? Ive had success with lots of different ways with Talon but just trying to figure out which is the most efficent. Thanks for the guide! Let me know what you think on mastery choices
Ok you can do that, but going 12.18.0 will give you a damage gap early. Getting a kill at level 6 in the game can make the difference between winning on losing. But i agree, they both work on talon, both Thunder-thing and the one that gives you movement speed after you deal enough %health damage.
It can work, you can make it work. For fast assassinations movement speed is very important.
If the enemy team is somehow squishy (they have a non-tank comp) the aoe damage will do A LOT more.
But now let's consider Deathfire Touch. Even though it does not deal instantaneous damage, it's dmg over time, it doesn't have a CD like Thunderlord and it also deals 30% bonus AD more , for EVERY hit. That means that while on Thunderlord you deal that dmg once you hit 3 times (this looks very good for poking to me), DT will deal that every time you attack someone-and for me at least, that's what you need on an assasin