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Talon Build Guide by Zoltux

[S4] Talon - A Fool-Proof Guide and Build

[S4] Talon - A Fool-Proof Guide and Build

Updated on June 15, 2014
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Vapora Dark (624) | May 5, 2014 7:15am
Zyad wrote:


Isn't it "You're" instead of "your"? i want to know cuz im learning english, im not a grammar nazi

You're = You are
Your = refers to something that belongs to "you"

In "your comment", it's the correct use of "your" as "you are comment" makes no sense.

In "your welcome", I'm pretty sure that you are right and it's "you're welcome", not "your".
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Zyad (7) | May 5, 2014 12:27am
Janitsu wrote:

@Zoltux, didn't have to read anything but your comment to downvote because of author's attitude. Your welcome!

Isn't it "You're" instead of "your"? i want to know cuz im learning english, im not a grammar nazi
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Vapora Dark (624) | May 4, 2014 11:29pm
Zoltux wrote:

@Vapora Dark, Didn't have to read past the first sentence to notice you're ****ting on my guide, thanks!

I actually upvoted, but ok lol. I suppose your guide is too good to need criticism. For implying your guide was anything other than perfect, I sincerely apologize.

Can you teach me how to make my guide perfect?
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Janitsu (569) | May 4, 2014 9:00pm
@Zoltux, didn't have to read anything but your comment to downvote because of author's attitude. Your welcome!
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Zoltux (1) | May 4, 2014 7:24pm
@Vapora Dark, Didn't have to read past the first sentence to notice you're ****ting on my guide, thanks!
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Vapora Dark (624) | May 4, 2014 12:57pm
Good guide, but you put too much emphasis on shredding armor. The point of armor pen runes isn't to shred armor, it's just that they scale better than AD runes whereas AD runes give you a better early-game and help you farm (even with perfect CS'ing skills, you will still get more last-hits with AD marks, especially under tower). The argument for taking ArPen runes is "I take these to scale better", not "I take these to lower their armor even more".

This build isn't high-risk high-reward, it's actually low-risk high-reward. Armor pen items are cheap items which are effective against ANY enemy at any point; low armor = near true damage, high armor = low armor. If you're behind, that's no problem, armor pen items are cheaper than flat AD items, and they're effective against anyone. If you're ahead, then that's great, because you can buy all these cheap items which are effective against anyone and never fall off. It's the most cost-effective AND cheapest item build you can use. That's why it's actually low-risk high-reward.

You won't do true damage to the enemy mid laner at any point unless they don't take armor in their seals, which rarely happens. Or you get a level 2 Brutalizer or something. They don't need to start Cloth Armor to stop you doing true damage at level 1.

Your maths is wrong. % armor pen stacks multiplicatively, so post-LW you have 39% armor pen, not 41%. The end result is 200 armor = 42 armor. Not a huge difference, but it's good to be accurate.

Why do you think that Ravenous Hydra < BT? I don't necessarily disagree, but your guide didn't offer any input into the matter. It's obvious why you wouldn't like Tiamat rush, it promotes a more passive playstyle than rushing armor pen. But why BT instead of Hydra as your 5th item?

Brutalizer -> LW -> Youmuu's -> Black Cleaver is a more effective build order than Youmuu's -> Black Cleaver -> LW. Youmuu's on its own doesn't do much, and the build path is horrible for laning. Brutalizer is great, but you're spending 800 gold on a stat that isn't AD, on a champion with huge AD ratios and right after building armor pen. It's kinda counter-productive to build armor pen, then not build damage, isn't it? Black Cleaver has the same problem. You build armor pen, then it's another 1600 odd gold before you even get more damage. LW in itself, as an item, has more damage than Black Cleaver anyway, and doesn't have any awkward build paths. So if you're using an armor pen build, Brutalizer into LW is the best opening. Then either Youmuu's or Cleaver into another Brutalizer.

You should mention that if you get an advantage over Lee Sin in lane, you can actually duel him by dancing around your minions while you auto-attack him. He won't be able to cast Q if you constantly place a minion between you and him, and he's likely to accidentally blow his Q on a minion, and he can't out-duel you without it if he's maxing Q and building damage (which most Lee mids do).
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Guest Account I | May 3, 2014 11:28am
Great guide man keep it up!
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Zoltux (1) | May 2, 2014 9:05pm
@smurfinsince91, Thanks for the support man, and no everything is amplified from the passive on his cutthroat, that's why you want to do it all very fast. Early on the passive on your E is almost barely noticeable, it really only starts to amount to something big late game. You actually could do that combo because sometimes if they use something to increase their movement speed than they'll run away before you can proc your Q on them, so getting the slow could help. As for that many auto's, I only use two un-enhanced autos, E>AA>Q>AA>W>R and early through late game that's enough to do the trick. Thanks for the support and feel free to add me in game for any further questions!
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smurfinsince91 | May 2, 2014 11:32am
@Zoltux Great guide man, just bought talon he is really fun. I just had a quick question. Talon's W (rake) is the only ability that procs his passive correct? Wouldn't he do more damage if you E>AA>W>AA>Q>AA>R ? Or am I thinking way too much about his passive?
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Zoltux (1) | May 1, 2014 7:14pm
@Azier, Honestly, I'm really glad that you commented to give me the advice because my guide was mostly formatted around yours, if you couldn't tell. My issue with Tiamat or Infinity Edge to BT is that I feel like I don't really auto attack much in a kill, because the amount of AD I have is enough to fully burst them. The only times I really auto attack in the combo is when I E>Auto>Q>Auto>W>R. Sometimes if I don't need the two extra autos, I don't even use them just to make the combo quicker. I do agree with you that it is better for utility tasks and wave clear but personally for me whenever I use it, it just doesn't feel right. I may very well be using it wrong but I just don't like it. I've also found that I've been able to Crit with my Q proc'd for over 1000 damage, with max build, baron, etc. About the GA, that is if they've got a lot of CC and are able to focus you down really well. I just like being able to have a shorter second life if I make a mistake the first time, because everyone makes mistakes.

I'm not trying to bash your opinion in any way, shape, or form because I'm honestly surprised that a writer of a guide would compliment another. Thank you for your support and I will get right away to adding the difficult laners. (Lee Sin jungle is really annoying because of his Q and E)
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Azier (2) | May 1, 2014 6:52pm
Also, I forgot to post this, but Diana, Swain, and (a good) Lee Sin are all pretty annoying to go against. In fact, most tanky mid laners are a bit annoying, as harass is not quite as effective.
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Azier (2) | May 1, 2014 6:49pm
As a somewhat long time Talon main, I think this guide is all around pretty good. Nice job to you, sir. As with most of the other guys, I personally prefer either a Ravenous Hydra or Infinity Edge to BT. I know you said you disagree with Tiamat, but let me explain-
Hydra does indeed have less AD than BT. However, it is more useful for "utility" tasks. The active also helps with bursting, almost (if not more than) BT. BT also takes time to charge up. It can also half the stacks.
Infinity Edge works with Youmuu's. A late game crit deals about 1000 damage.
Now then, you don't have to replace BT. You can, if you want, replace GA. GA is not necessary if you play well. Not getting caught, having wards up, general map awareness.
Otherwise, excellent guide. I look forward to any future updates :)
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