Alibert, you are right about the mid ganks with Rammus. I actually jungle Rammus everytime he's available but he is banned alot. Lee is not as dangerous as a Rammus/Mumu but u r still correct about that. It is mid's job not to overextend and keep the creeps near middle of lane or on our side. I personally despise laning WW despite his sustainability. I guess he would be a decent solo top but I personally think their are better champs to benefit from a solo lane. That being said, people are here because they want to play WW, so lane build will be next, along with a chapter on it.

As for the bbcode, it will come in time as I am always tweaking the guide.

Oh sry for the many post i do, you may add a lane build,too (which i prefer over jungling, but your cup of tea)

AND can gank if needed.

Np bro, but mid ganks will be pretty much a kill if a rammus, lee etc shows up.
AND in this scenario if they see ww jungle, they may pick a kinda hero that needs farm (trynd nasus irelia), and IF your top cant stop them it can ruin your game.


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To improve your guide, add a chapter with optimal solotop partners and which you should avoid e.g. AND plz use bbcodes! Really makes it better to read. Atm its pretty exhausting :/.

See big room of improvment here. IF you do improve your guide with bbcodes and go a little more into detail the -1 might change :) cu

Alibert, the advantage only goes to enemy jungler if in fact their ganks are successful. A smart team knows that their WW isn't going to be around for a bit so they adjust. They are going to play passively, they won't over-extend in their lane. They are going to last hit, and keep the creep waves near their tower. Bottom lane is going to ward the bushes, and so on. Ideally, the most their jungler is going to accomplish is to harrass our allies a little bit. Maybe solo-top or mid get suppressed and pushed back. They miss some last hits and their solo top/mid is out-farming ours. That's ok, I'm going to show up there pre-6 and counter. If a lane gets ganked, that tower is still going to stand, because I'm going to be there to hold the lane. The great thing about WW is he can hold a lane 2v1 while waiting for that lane to return. All that being said, this creates a double-edged sword for the enemy jungler. If their ganks are not successful, then they have wasted time in the lanes, time that I have spent out-farming them. If they farm the lanes they are ganking, then they are stealing farm from their allies. Plus, once we get to 6, our ganking ability is greater than that of a lot of other junglers. The enemy now has a real problem to deal with, and a tower is going to fall if my gank succeeds. Just push, cue my W near allies, and its down.

Your comment about taking E to counter-jungle is well received, and I agree with it, IF you are in fact going to counter jungle. This creates a problem all of its own however in that they may never cue the E, and if they do, guess what, they know you are near too. They hear the howl and see the mark on their head, and likely will bring an ally to kill you.

Again, thank you for your input. It's good to have these points brought to the table, as I know you aren't the only one that feels this way. It gives me a chance to provide a counter-argument so that readers can judge for themselves.

Skarner, Udyr, Shyvana, and anyone who clears with those times, can farm 100% of the time, and keep up with solo lanes.

Sry dont get what you mean :/

Sure you can take a team comp that can handle the lanes, BUT they got the disadvantage of a ww with no ganks while the enemy teams jungler will gank top few times which weakens them and offers their solo top a advantage FOR FREE.
His jungle speed is not worse at all, but hes outclassed here too by junglers who jungle atleast as fast as ww does AND can gank well.

Yeah, your rushing lvl 6 but the new jungle was designed that you gank often to get gold because the jungle creeps dont give much gold and exp. While the enemy jungler may have a kill through a gank, ww is only be able to farm in the jungle where he gets ridicolous low gold from the creeps (-> gold advantage for enemy jungler)

I would still get a rank in e because you can spot enemy junglers in their jungle if your counterjungling.


Wall of text sry :/ I hope you get what i mean.

Alibert, I hear this alot about how WW is not playable competitively because he can't gank until 6. This is just simply not true sir. You can't gank until 6 yes but WW's jungle speed due to his high sustainability makes him a totally viable jungler imo. His jungle speed is good enough, as long as you have a good team comp that can hold their lanes and do their jobs. You are still available to fill all the other roles as a jungler including assisting in lanes.

Also your argument for taking E earlier fails by your own logic(and mine) because we know that any gank pre-6 with WW is likely a fail. We want our Q up as quick as possible to speed our leveling and make that first gank at level 6 a success. Also E does not help our jungle so taking it before 5(we are rushing 6 remember) is ludacris.

As far as wriggle's lantern goes, I find it a useless spend for WW. Its proc over Madred's is hardly worth it for just a 20% chance. Plus, we want to use Madred's to build the bloodrazor which is tons more useful. Its active ward is nice but we can afford to buy our own wards with this build. The 8 extra damage and 3% lifesteal it offers are hardly worth it either.

Thank you for the input.

If anything Wriggles' effect is worsened by the new jungle, and it got nerfed, too...

-1 from me. you cant play ww as a jungler in the competive scene. with the new jungle its essential for the jungler to gank all the time. WW cant pre 6. no wriggels (musthave atm).
Finally, you need your e earlier (3 or 4) for ganks. sry