Renekton, Lee Sin and Dodge runes

[quote=Max Carter]Hi everyone... How can [[renekton]] be built? 0/21/9, Exhaust and Flash, and which items? Focus on CDR? Last whisper or Black cleaver? Use atma's on him? Renekton needs CDR glyphs? Flat? Merc's treads or ionian boots of lucidity? And [[lee sin]]? wich masteries? smite and flash? wrigglers and what more? I really don't know nothing for him... Focus AD? Tanky? Atma's? Tri-force? Merc's Treads? And about runes, I usually use marks penetration, glyphs magic resist per level and quints or flat HP or armor penetration... And for seals, mana regen or flat armor... but i see many guides with dodge, but only 6.8% of dodge is good? They're efficient early and late? If I use them, isn't better using dodge quints too and getting ninja tabi to maximize it? but the tenacity? :/ I looked that graphs thing, but I can't see a big difference on them, only in the price... are dodge seals cost efficient?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Ren is flexible and there's lots of good builds for him. A rather good build for Ren might be; Merc or CDR boot, Frozen Mallet, Black Cleaver, Warmogg's, Atma's, Force of Nature. Another good build? Sunfire cape/Frozen Mallet/Force of Nature/GA/Madred's. A lot of items work very well on him. Meta golems build works as well. As far as Lee goes, there's a lot of builds that work as well.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]They're good on Renekton (if you run 0/21/9), but not Lee Sin.[/quote]

[quote=theExec]For Lee, I'd say he's a bit more flexible when you talk about builds. I would say that since you'll probably more aggressive than passive, for masteries, go 21/0/9 for jungle. If you're jungling then yeah, smite and flash is the right way to go. Most people get Wriggles on Lee sin but I wouldn't rush strait for it. Go for 2 or 3 doran blades to maximize your early game ganks and such. As for items, it really depends on your style, you COULD do glass cannon, but I'd say that going Atmogs/Fratmas first then deciding is a better choice. So like: Wriggle's / Merc Treads or Ninja tabi / Warmog's or Frozen Mallet / Atma's then you'd either go with more damage with like: Hextech Gunblade or Tri-force or Bloodthirster / Last Whisper or you'd build even tankier with: Force of Nature / Randuin's. The Dodge rune thing: If you plan on jungling you need something more reliable to mitigate damage, so you'd usually go armor seals. imo, i'd only get dodge runes if I speced in the dodge mastery in the defensive tree for the speed up, and i'd only pair them with ninja tabi if the other team doesn't have that much cc.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]yeah, this is my doubt about dodge runes, 6.8%, is it reliable over armor seals? for both champs? And how can I decide about the build and the champion? '-' Haard :/[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Either way it's a small difference. If you're gonna run the 21 defense, might as well take dodge yellows. If not, probly armor. Wonder what Searz thinks.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]yeah, and the problem is: dodge runes are soo expansive... i would rather get a new champ... lol[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I think, searz said once, that dodge runes with [[Nimbleness]] are S-Rank, other than that A-Rank. Armor is S-Rank.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]^To translate: Dodge isn't worth it unless you have the mastery (or play on dominion since it might be better there).[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]But if you have the mastery, then yes they are superior to armor at least mathematically?[/quote]