The guys here tend to be pretty critical about people who ask stuff like this. It's not that they are mean.... ok maybe a little... but the general philosophy here is self reliance. The best way to improve is to pick up on these things and learn them. We can say "Do X, Y, and Z" (as opposed to the usual "gank ****, don't die, stop losing"), but both you and your friend will have to actively learn X, Y, and Z and practice them.
Another thing: we have no information on you or your friend. we can't put out anything based on your match histories and general stats to give you anything really.
Another thing: we have no information on you or your friend. we can't put out anything based on your match histories and general stats to give you anything really.
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Kazega wrote:
The guys here tend to be pretty critical about people who ask stuff like this. It's not that they are mean.... ok maybe a little... but the general philosophy here is self reliance. The best way to improve is to pick up on these things and learn them. We can say "Do X, Y, and Z" (as opposed to the usual "gank ****, don't die, stop losing"), but both you and your friend will have to actively learn X, Y, and Z and practice them.
Another thing: we have no information on you or your friend. we can't put out anything based on your match histories and general stats to give you anything really.
True enough, and it makes sense. Honestly, the whole problem is that we can't figure out what he needs to learn and practice. I know that I need to quit being so overconfident that I can take an objective/champ and be more careful in general (especially with the weird double (sometimes triple) click to use targeted abilities I've been having), so I'm intending to go with a role that I figure would force me to be more careful if I have any hope of surviving next time I play with pals: Jungle Twitch. I figured since he's so prone to counter jungling, it would force me to be more careful than I tend to be as ADC Twitch, as well as help me brush up on effective jungle routes to take (never was a good jungler. I was ok with Cho, but that's it.).
In the case of my pal, I can't figure out what he could improve on, though, and was wondering if there were any general tips that may help aside from the usual you mentioned.
If not, it's fine. I appreciate you taking the time to read and reply :)
Instead of Twitch try 
Evelynn. As far as being stuck goes: I can tell you that 90% of the game revolves around CSing and not dying. The remaining 10% is objective control. Everything else that you do in this game will lead back to getting a CS Lead or just not dying in general. Jungler's put pressure on Lanes to allow the carries to get gold from Minions. Wards are placed all around the map to gain knowledge of enemy locations and, by extension, know what objectives to take safely. From these two basic mechanics you can develop more advanced mechanics and improve your game even further. Whenever you get stuck, go back to the two basics and work from there.
All in all, we can't help you. I'm sorry but you aren't giving us enough information to be much use.
Evelynn. As far as being stuck goes: I can tell you that 90% of the game revolves around CSing and not dying. The remaining 10% is objective control. Everything else that you do in this game will lead back to getting a CS Lead or just not dying in general. Jungler's put pressure on Lanes to allow the carries to get gold from Minions. Wards are placed all around the map to gain knowledge of enemy locations and, by extension, know what objectives to take safely. From these two basic mechanics you can develop more advanced mechanics and improve your game even further. Whenever you get stuck, go back to the two basics and work from there.All in all, we can't help you. I'm sorry but you aren't giving us enough information to be much use.
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I don't have her or enough IP at the moment (I know she's only 1350, but I only have about 300 since I recently grabbed Vel'Koz), but I'll try her out when I do. Thanks for the advice :)
I'm not really sure what other info I could give, aside from typical champs. When he jungles (Vi and Hecarim, before the jungle rework) he does typically gank fairly often, especially if he sees a lane in danger and thinks he can be helpful (which he usually is). He'll usually play Teemo as mid and rush Runaan's for double poison while laying mushrooms pretty much everywhere. He's been doing Morgana as support when I'm Twitch ADC and warding (first standard, then the ones to reveal invisible units when he gets the gold) as much as possible in the prime locations (dragon, lane bushes to prevent opponents from jumping or hiding in there if we're both pushed back and they vanish, etc.) while regularly ensnaring and helping take out the champs (usually leaving the kill blow for me, only not when I'm having to run from another or something).
I'm not really sure what other info I could give, aside from typical champs. When he jungles (Vi and Hecarim, before the jungle rework) he does typically gank fairly often, especially if he sees a lane in danger and thinks he can be helpful (which he usually is). He'll usually play Teemo as mid and rush Runaan's for double poison while laying mushrooms pretty much everywhere. He's been doing Morgana as support when I'm Twitch ADC and warding (first standard, then the ones to reveal invisible units when he gets the gold) as much as possible in the prime locations (dragon, lane bushes to prevent opponents from jumping or hiding in there if we're both pushed back and they vanish, etc.) while regularly ensnaring and helping take out the champs (usually leaving the kill blow for me, only not when I'm having to run from another or something).
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We really haven't played ranked because we usually play with 1-2 other pals and there's no trio queue (unless you count Twisted Treeline, which we had tried a few times). We've managed to get a full team maybe twice since we've started, and the other two are rather low level.
Here's mine though: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/39131759
His: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/28473444
Here's mine though: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/39131759
His: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/28473444
Alright, so the first thing to note is that both of you have a relatively low amount of normal wins (I myself have 1669, for example). I'm not saying that to sound negative, I just want you to realise that you're still inexperienced. Because of the way matchmaking works, this will most likely mean you are facing summoners who are equally inexperienced, which means that there's a relatively good chance that both of you are still making plenty of mistakes that you are not being punished for by your opponents, simply because they're not good enough to recognise those mistakes and abuse them.
With that said, there are a couple of things I notice when checking his lolking profile (focusing on him for now as you originally made this thread to ask for feedback on how he can improve):
There's probably a lot more I could mention, but it's hard to judge without actually seeing him play. Based on (most of) his scores, I'm willing to believe your friend is better than the average opponent you guys are facing, but again, keep the skill level of those opponents in mind. If I go 10/0/0 in lane vs a Bronze V opponent, it's not because I'm amazing, it's because my lane opponent is making tons of mistakes. If I play the same matchup vs a Diamond I opponent, I can guarantee you I won't get that same score.
A good way of realising which aspects of your game you can / need to work on is by constantly asking yourself questions. For example, if you die to a jungle gank, ask yourself the following things:
When analysing situations like this during teamfights, be very careful not to blame everything on your teammates, even if they make mistakes too. For example, if your ADC jumps into a hopeless 1v4 fight and you (playing the support) follow him to try and protect him, it's his mistake for going in in the first place, but it's your mistake for following when the best play from your perspective would've been to simply let him die (in order to minimize the losses for your team).
One final note: while trying to improve, don't put too much emphasis on individual performances. Improving is not about how well you do on a game by game basis, it's about setting/reaching goals and raising your standard of play over an extended period of time.
Good luck! :)
With that said, there are a couple of things I notice when checking his lolking profile (focusing on him for now as you originally made this thread to ask for feedback on how he can improve):
- Again, I don't want to sound too negative, but 115 cs in 43 minutes, 130 in 42, 197 in 51, 84 in 28, 183 in 47 and 131 in 38 - ignoring the games he played as support since cs doesn't matter as much for those - is not "rather good CS". When I became aware of how important farming is in this game and started working/focusing on it more and more, I was told I should try to reach 100 cs by 12 minutes. Not 30, not 40, 12. The fact that 100 cs at 12 minutes is not even optimal (for more info on that, check this graph - note however that it doesn't account for the time minions take to get to the lane) should tell you how much your friend can still improve. Farming well is extremely important in League of Legends, I really cannot stress this enough. Keep in mind that 15-20 cs is equal to a kill in terms of the gold you receive for it; having a cs advantage in a 1v1 lane in which both sides have a 0/0/0 score can be huge.
- Your friend does not use Flash. Why? It is by far the best summoner spell in the game and pretty much mandatory in 99% of all games.
There's probably a lot more I could mention, but it's hard to judge without actually seeing him play. Based on (most of) his scores, I'm willing to believe your friend is better than the average opponent you guys are facing, but again, keep the skill level of those opponents in mind. If I go 10/0/0 in lane vs a Bronze V opponent, it's not because I'm amazing, it's because my lane opponent is making tons of mistakes. If I play the same matchup vs a Diamond I opponent, I can guarantee you I won't get that same score.
A good way of realising which aspects of your game you can / need to work on is by constantly asking yourself questions. For example, if you die to a jungle gank, ask yourself the following things:
- Did I have a ward?
- If the answer is 'no': why didn't I have one? Did I have my trinket up or did I have a ward in my inventory that I could've placed? If so, why didn't I place it? Or if that wasn't the case, where was the enemy jungler last seen? Could I have known he was heading my way, based on my positioning or the most logical jungle route for him to take? Finally, did my opponent's behaviour suddenly change (from passive to aggressive), hinting at an incoming gank?
- If the answer is 'yes': did the jungler pass it? Did I see the jungler pass it too late or did I miss the fact that he passed it entirely? Or was my positioning simply not good enough to be able to do anything about dying and should I not have been playing so aggressively?
When analysing situations like this during teamfights, be very careful not to blame everything on your teammates, even if they make mistakes too. For example, if your ADC jumps into a hopeless 1v4 fight and you (playing the support) follow him to try and protect him, it's his mistake for going in in the first place, but it's your mistake for following when the best play from your perspective would've been to simply let him die (in order to minimize the losses for your team).
One final note: while trying to improve, don't put too much emphasis on individual performances. Improving is not about how well you do on a game by game basis, it's about setting/reaching goals and raising your standard of play over an extended period of time.
Good luck! :)
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He does typically move between auto-attacks to make it harder to be hit by skillshots, and he usually has a rather good CS. In addition he only recalls if A. He's about to die, B. the lane is doing exceptional and he needs a good upgrade. From what I've read, he's pretty much doing everything he's supposed to, but I feel like we're both missing something that would help him improve even more, so I've come here to see if anybody may have an idea of what.
I apologize if I've posted this in the wrong area. Not really a new player (either me or him), so I figured this was the best area.