Ask a Diamond [Week 6: Jungle]

[quote=H4xDefender][quote=NorthernRedStar] [quote=Dychronius] [quote=NorthernRedStar] - [[Skarner]] would be low tier 3, he's a better top laner. [/quote] I thought [[skarner]] top died because they removed the heal on e? Also, what makes pony bottom tier 2/upper tier 3? [/quote] [[Skarner]] is a lane bully top who can all-in really well early due to being able to spam [[Crystal Slash]] and prevent damage with [[Crystalline Exoskeleton]]. He's also very dangerous to dive and easy to gank [i]for[/i] due to his ultimate. Basically a top lane [[Shyvana]] with more CC. [/quote] uh, no lol. Q doesn't slow anymore so they just walk away from you, and you also need to charge it first. Not to mention you go oom ridiculously fast if you use all your abilities. Hes only hard to dive at 6, and thats if he builds properly and has mana.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender][quote=Vynertje] If you want to farm all day you'd want to get wriggles anyway and if you want to gank you want a spirit item. It's not like you'll usually find yourself changing from a game plan on a specific champion that often (you won't find a maokai farming the jungle, or a udyr ganking 24/7) so I don't really feel the need to go that way. I doubt if you really need that extra clear speed/sustain from the second item as well. Gotta add that I somewhat hate trick (his udyr is good but that's about it) and his fanboys so I might be somewhat biased. [/quote] Most champions can't even build either viably so its definitely not good lol. Only memory I still have of trick is completely outjungling him as he bitched on stream and splitpushed 24/7 as I kept initiating fight after fight to pull my team back into the game until my ADC tried to 1v1 him bot, died, and lost us the game. Trick proceeded to shittalk and I exploded back at him in frustration, and after his fanboy army started spamadding me on league. Was pretty hilarious looking back.[/quote]

[quote=NorthernRedStar][quote=H4xDefender] [quote=NorthernRedStar] [quote=Dychronius] [quote=NorthernRedStar] - [[Skarner]] would be low tier 3, he's a better top laner. [/quote] I thought [[skarner]] top died because they removed the heal on e? Also, what makes pony bottom tier 2/upper tier 3? [/quote] [[Skarner]] is a lane bully top who can all-in really well early due to being able to spam [[Crystal Slash]] and prevent damage with [[Crystalline Exoskeleton]]. He's also very dangerous to dive and easy to gank [i]for[/i] due to his ultimate. Basically a top lane [[Shyvana]] with more CC. [/quote] uh, no lol. [b]Q doesn't slow anymore so they just walk away from you[/b], and you also need to charge it first. Not to mention you go oom ridiculously fast if you use all your abilities. Hes only hard to dive at 6, and thats if he builds properly and has mana. [/quote] Never said he was excellent, just telling from what I've seen. This same here^ could be said from [[Shyvana]], yet she's a very strong top. Isn't managing your mana a part of learning a champion / playing well? So that's invalid. And [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] is a core item for current [[Skarner]]. Once again, I never said he was the best top laner, but can be played as one. Has great potential if Riot changes him a bit. Out of context, I really like J4 top.[/quote]

[quote=NorthernRedStar][quote=H4xDefender] [quote=Vynertje] If you want to farm all day you'd want to get wriggles anyway and if you want to gank you want a spirit item. It's not like you'll usually find yourself changing from a game plan on a specific champion that often (you won't find a maokai farming the jungle, or a udyr ganking 24/7) so I don't really feel the need to go that way. I doubt if you really need that extra clear speed/sustain from the second item as well. Gotta add that I somewhat hate trick (his udyr is good but that's about it) and his fanboys so I might be somewhat biased. [/quote] Most champions can't even build either viably so its definitely not good lol. Only memory I still have of trick is completely outjungling him as he bitched on stream and splitpushed 24/7 as I kept initiating fight after fight to pull my team back into the game until my ADC tried to 1v1 him bot, died, and lost us the game. Trick proceeded to shittalk and I exploded back at him in frustration, and after his fanboy army started spamadding me on league. Was pretty hilarious looking back. [/quote] Trick2g, the most overrated jungler ever.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone]What happened to the [[doran's blade]] start on some junglers?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Died out after season 4 made jungling slightly harder. You can't only take two buffs (of which one smiteless - smite the second one for 550 damage back then) and gank. Besides that it'd set you back if your first gank / counterjungle attempt failed because you're forced to b without any money for items.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball][[Zac]] jungle? Wouldn't that take away some of his weaker lane? He has ok clears, good sustain and tons of cc. Or is his weak 1 vs 1 enough to make him a weak pick?[/quote]

[quote=NorthernRedStar][quote=I want to be a Blitzball] [[Zac]] jungle? Wouldn't that take away some of his weaker lane? He has ok clears, good sustain and tons of cc. Or is his weak 1 vs 1 enough to make him a weak pick? [/quote] [[Zac]] in jungle is like [[Nautilus]] without [[Titan's Wrath]] on; slow, weak and deals no damage. Horrible duelist and mediocre clears. Ganking power and CC does not make up for that.[/quote]