Fact: any scrub can get 1500 elo.

[quote=Mooninites]played a normal blind pick game today. I was talon, my team got railed pretty hard at mid and bot. Got into it with our caitlyn. He had 86 cs at 25 minutes into the game, as opposed to my roughly 190 or so. This guy said "talon doesn't need farm, he needs kills". Naturally I assumed this scrub was only 200 elo. Turns out he is 1516 in solo queue, on top of that he wanted to 1v1 me. So naturally I accepted and crushed him as GP when he was WW. So for those of you struggling in elo hell, just realize there are people like this, TedyRo, and hundreds of others who are higher elo than you but far worse[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Very very true. You can't say you're pro from 1.2k to 1.5k because the elo system isn't accurate the first couple of games.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]ELO is not meant to be based around solo queue it's meant for team play which is why it's an imperfect set up. Solo queue doesn't translate into team play and vice versa.[/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]ELO doesn't say anything about skill level. Because LoL is a team based game, it's impossible to decide the outcome of a game. After watching even my friends who play at 800~1200 elo, myself playing 1300~1400 elo, and watching streams of 1500~2000 or higher, I can see that there isn't much of a difference between skill level.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]elo is about how well you can carry your team, though getting high elo is a sign of skill, getting mediocre elo is not :P[/quote]

[quote=Vavena][quote=RosePhoenix] elo is about how well you can carry your team [/quote] BINGO[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]I'm always amazed about people's bad cs. Sure I could up mine a few notches but mid I rarely have under 140 at 20 minutes. I ought to be better at taking wraiths more often though. Solo top I often play a bit too passive and thus miss a few more. And I have no wraiths close by for extra farm.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Crows foot] I'm always amazed about people's bad cs. Sure I could up mine a few notches but mid I rarely have under 140 at 20 minutes. I ought to be better at taking wraiths more often though. Solo top I often play a bit too passive and thus miss a few more. And I have no wraiths close by for extra farm. [/quote] Play a champ with strong AoE clearing. Works wonders for Maokai/Gragas. :D[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]As Gragas I always win, and then I mean both teams win and not only mid. Same with Cassiopeia and Karthus and Vlad. My 4 best mids. Same with solo top Nida and Irelia. Cs is the key to carrying. My problem is that if I don't have good Aoe I have a really tacky translation to teamfights. It's hella easy as Karthus, Cassiopeia and Gragas to know what your role is. Harder for me with other's since I always am dying to initiate xD[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]Thats true. But these guys can even get higher (like 1,8k Elo)... Always fun to say: So you 1,8k Elo pro just got owned by 100Elo (cus I dodged my Elo down to start from 0 (to prove there is no elo hell))... Well from that point they start with 'haha, I still have 1700Elo more. me so pro bla bla blubb'... well Elo is just some Internet-pen15 shit..[/quote]