How much AP can you start with?

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=FalseoGod] You think 5,31 AP is going to make a difference by the time you bought [[void staff]] even with [[rabadon's deathcap]] in the picture? [/quote] Never said it would make a difference. Just saying that later on in the game flat magic pen is a waste. :P[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=FalseoGod] You think 5,31 AP is going to make a difference by the time you bought [[void staff]] even with [[rabadon's deathcap]] in the picture? [/quote] Never said it would make a difference. Just saying that later on in the game flat magic pen is a waste. :P [/quote] We're going in circles, I said flat magic pen is good for your early, and probably better than full flat ap unless your enemy has 0 MRes or you're fiddlesticks. Lategame, both are pretty much negligible[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]I'm saying they're both a waste and you should go Full Mres runes and play [[Veigar]]. =3[/quote]

[quote=Noob Patti]dude when u use the spell sorce you will get 10% of all your Ap in 8 sec. and i got 73 AP and im still dont finish with my Rune boock i need 6 runes to be finsih. so i think you can start wit around 77 ap in the start! :o[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=FalseoGod] [quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=FalseoGod] You think 5,31 AP is going to make a difference by the time you bought [[void staff]] even with [[rabadon's deathcap]] in the picture? [/quote] Never said it would make a difference. Just saying that later on in the game flat magic pen is a waste. :P [/quote] We're going in circles, I said flat magic pen is good for your early, and probably better than full flat ap unless your enemy has 0 MRes or you're fiddlesticks. Lategame, both are pretty much negligible [/quote] dual pen reds is better on most AP champions because they pretty much always auto-attack. There are a few champions that I don't think it would better on, but all in all what you're saying is correct: runes should supplement your early game, you can always build what you need in game.[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan][quote=IceCreamy] Well with most champions, this would be what they can get: [[Mental Force]] = 4 [[Blast]] = 1 [[Greater Mark of Potency]] x9 = 5,31 [[Greater Seal of Potency]] x9 = 5,31 [[Greater Glyph of Potency]] x9 = 10,71 [[Greater Quintessence of Potency]] x3 = 14,85 [rule] 61,18 AP, [[Archmage]] giving 5 % (~3,06) extra so 64,23 AP is the maximum you can start with. Not that this is wise, at all xD I'm too lazy to do math for [[Galio]] and [[Vladimir]], you would first have to calculate whether MR or HP stuff is better instead of AP. And also add masteries that can be taken (for [[Galio]] [[Resistance]] is nice while for [[Vlad]] you would even have to calculate whether offense or defense tree would give more AP...) [/quote] + [[Doran's ring]] or [[Amplifying tome]] profits $$$[/quote]