Jungle Nation - Jungling Strategy Talk

[quote=Bioalchemist]i could find some players lasty. i could find some XD[/quote]

[quote=SkidmarkD][quote=C4 Lasty] [quote=Crows foot] I listened to first episode, a good listen and interesting. Will go through the rest today! And don't bash on my troll! He's so kewt, but yes he is weak with no real gap closer. But an extremely strong duelist! [/quote] Glad you enjoyed the show, unfortunately nobody is dumb enough to just stand there and fight a Trundle. You can walk away from him pretty easily... [/quote] Once. Most people do it only once. Per champion.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]so i was looking around and found foxdrop. i watched his stuff before but than i kind of forgot about him. [url=http://cloth5.com/foxdrops-preseason-patch-3-14-solo-queue-jungle-tier-list/]foxdrop tier list[/url] his tier list doesn't really stretch out and provide a lot of insight but his description of each champ i believe is pretty good and detailed. not trying to steal your thunder at all lasty/bil just thought i would throw this one up here for people who want another take on jungling during this preseason.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Once again Tier lists like this are complete shit. Tier 1 and 2 are all of the playable junglers, then he wastes time going through every champion. There is no way to really tell using his tier list who is stronger Nautilus or Nasus. Having SO many champions ranked means its super muddied up and you can't really get a good idea of who is actually strong. Ranking 10-12 champions and dividing them into 3-4 tiers actually gives you a picture of who is stronger than whom.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]yeah i agree the tier list is pretty ummm non-descriptive. i did like the separated descriptions though (even though i might not agree with every point he makes, i felt like overall he was mostly on point) and i feel like if you read the description for say nautilus it tells you why he isn't the best choice.[/quote]

[quote=SkidmarkD]What Lasty said. Also, disagree with him on Xin. He says his dmg drops off mid to late game. Not if you play him right. His dmg late game is pretty insane..... On that alone, I'm inclined to not really take his words for truth.....[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]Saint has a tier list he posted on facebook a few days ago that gives reasons why the top tier junglers are top tier, he might be biased as to why he put wukong tier 1 but the rest looks good, so if youre looking for a tier list with only jungle champions instead of every champion then here [quote]Jungle Tier list Preseason Patch 3.15 This list is for solo q I left out Yusao because I think he needs atleast a week or 2 to sink in, if I had my guess just off first look he is tier 3 Tier 1-,Elise,Wukong, Shyvana, ,Eve,Vi,Lee sin,Dr. Mundo Eve-Nerfs to oracle plus pink wards make ganking with her even easier and the offense mastery tweeks helped her as well Dr.Mundo-I had him in a much lower tier, I misjudged his mid and late game carry potential, his early game is a bit sketchy though so I have him at the bottom of tier 1. Shyvana- gains a lot of raw stats from her passive much like wukong does. She also has a lot of built in dps and mobility. She is the fastest farmer in the game as well. I would put her at the top of tier 1 but her ganks are not the strongest. Elise-runs jungle creeps over with high single target dps and has the strongest pre 6 ganks in the game next to maybe lee sin Wukong-is a counter pick to certain champions;elise being one of those. Also wukong has one of the best late games and post 6 in the game out of all the junglers. His passive also gives him a ton of gold value in stats. I moved wukong up 1 slot in the tier list I just think he is too broken right now. Vi and Lee both have really strong pre 6 ganks as well as post 6 ganks. Early game dominant junglers Tier 2-Olaf,Aatrox, Jarvan,Udyr, Nocturne,Khazix,Fiddlesticks,Nasus Nasus I forgot to put in last list, he still has his place as a utilty jungler. Good for holding towers and doing fast dragons+barons Fiddlesticks is kinda of weak pre 6 but he can do some unusual gank paths and his fear as of right now is ridiculous. Also the new ap jungle item allows him to give up blues to mid laner without running out of mana. With the nurf to fiddles fear I moved him to the bottom of tier 2. Olaf-I would put him tier 1 however I dislike his scaling into late game if he does not snowball hard early. His early game is extremely strong though plus he farms like a monster. Aatrox- he can do unusual gank paths and his early game presence is extremely good Jarvan- the EQ nurf hurt him quite a bit and I just feel like people got used to playing vs him. He is still a strong pick though. Udyr and noc are both power farmers. Udyr excels vs all melee comps and Noc excels in assassin comps. Tier 3-Skarner, Amumu,Pantheon Zac, Nunu, Gragas, Jax,Nautilus, Xin I added Pantheon to the list due to the w changes, he could possibily snowball off some early ganks and pressure with ult post 6 I left xin out of the last list on accident All the champs in tier 3 have problems with either mana or weak points in early or late game. Tier 4-Rammus,Trundle,Shaco,,Volibear,,Maokai,Sejuani, With taunt change to rammus I moved him down to tier 4 All the champions in tier 4 have itemization issues as well as weird power spikes. Tier 5-Hecarim, Gangplank,, Shen, Warwick All of these champions are niche picks and suffer from itemization issues, many weak points in the game and dependency on buffs.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=TortugaMaximus]Why is hecarim so unfavored? Is it because of his need for items?[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]Heca was heavily nerfed. Wukong is just monkey business.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Hecarim is paper early-mid game and he's it is very easy to invade on him and assassinate him with bruiser junglers. He gets too low in the jungle and he doesn't really start to impact a game until late.[/quote]