Least Useful Champ

[quote=DuffTime]@Potatis Shaco is worse than RoA Cho Gath.[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Wayne3100] [[Nunu]] is really bad right now. Still a great counterjungler, but really bad in teamfights with little damage. Useless? No. Bad? Definitely. [/quote] His ult does wonders if the opposing team isn't smart.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Actually Nunu is quite a decent support, particularly with Vayne but also pretty good with Caitlyn.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Wayne3100] [[Nunu]] is really bad right now. Still a great counterjungler, but really bad in teamfights with little damage. Useless? No. Bad? Definitely. [/quote] i actually went 8/1/15 in a ranked game as jungle [[Nunu]] just a few days ago. I certainly realize one game doesn't make or break a champion, but I was surprised how well i did As far as [[Shaco]], he does kind of suck, his jungling is a little better and i've been seeing a lot more of him. [quote=PotatisFarfar] He still dominates the early game with his strong ganking and counterjungling. [/quote] shaco probably has the worst early game in the game. He can't last hit without getting out harassed, his boxes are subpar unless clumped together in masses. [[Two-poison Shiv]] does virtually no damage unless you have a substaintial amount of AP. Honestly [[Shaco]] is only good coming straight out of the jungle at level 2 with red buff. After that he's trash[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]@Duff That says me nothing. @Mooninites Max boxes. And you will have a scary counterjungler. He falls off when teamfights starts happening, but you shuld just be split pushing then anyway[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Shaco can pick a bad jungler off with ease. I've run into Shaco junglers before and not died to them. More than once, he's kinda flavor lately which sickens me. Shaco is a champion, if I'm being COMPLETELY HONEST, who's skills are ALMOST GOOD. But they're all bad, and the result is not a difficult to use "good" champion when you make his skills gel, it's a bad champion who has the potential to make "Ohshi---" moments happen. And I get that he's fun to play and it's cool when the crazy box hops and box backstab dagger kills happen and you get away with almost no life because you skilled it out narrowly. Still, he sucks. There's a like 60 champions I would rather have then shaco and like 20 of them can jungle.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]Olaf is still bad when compared to Trundle (Jungle) or Irelia (Lane).[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Wayne3100] [[Nunu]] is really bad right now. Still a great counterjungler, but really bad in teamfights with little damage. Useless? No. Bad? Definitely. [/quote] Dmace is 77-48 with nunu in ranked at 1800 elo. (55% of his ranked games are with nunu.) He's not that bad of a champion, he needs specific comps though.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ You've never seen the best Olaf in the game right now :D Irelia got nuttin' on this. I agree Trundle is a better jungle because he's infinitely less gear dependent.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=DuffTime] ^ You've never seen the best Olaf in the game right now :D Irelia got nuttin' on this. I agree Trundle is a better jungle because he's infinitely less gear dependent. [/quote] Trundle is better because he does CC reduction, and is an over all better jungler/ganker. Irelia is better because she does CC reduction, and is an over all better laner/teamfighter. Irelia nerfs might have put Olaf ahead, it's been awhile though. Also, who is this magical olaf player? :o[/quote]