Least Useful Champ

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=BunkerBob] Entertain us with your 30-40 competitive champs please. [/quote] OK[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]l0l. Just go watch any of the recent tournaments. Any of the champions picked on the winning teams were viable. (Lazy answer) Just pick; AP's (Mid); Brand Grags Karthus Ryze AD's (Duo/Bot); Vayne Corki Cait Supports (Duo/Bot); Any support, counter pick your opponents Junglers; Udyr Amumu Trundle Solo tops; Galio ChoGath Rumble[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]wtf Duff. most of those weren't successful lol I didn't even see Ryze at IEM, as I recall Corki lost all his games (idk tho) pretty sure Trundle lost most of his games. Galio and Rumble weren't seen at all pretty much.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]??? Lol. Trundle owned today. Galio was all over the place and continues to be. Anyway, those are the champions I think a player should know for a given lane. Singed is good top too. There are others those are just my favorites.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]The point isnt that these champs sucked in the tourney. Its that they were PICKED in the tourney meaning they are viable. Urgot = viable even. Evelynn is not viable. Twitch is not viable. shaco is not viable. I dont care how good a shaco player is, shaco is not a viable champ. Why? Take reginald. The best shaco player there was or ever will be in my opinion. He never ever ever plays shaco anymore. Ever. Why? Because Regi is a purely competitive player and will remain that way forever. Shaco's toolkit sets him up to shit on noobs. Does that make him "viable"? If you consider viable to be a champ that can noobstomp, then yes. If you think Viable means that the champ can stand up against coordinated, high elo teams, then no. Shaco is definitely not viable. People are mistaking viable to mean "can it carry me to high elo in solo Q" any freaking champ can do that. SorakaBot carried to #1 EU solo Q before Evelynn was considered OP. In fact, before SorakaBot came along, Riot was damn near giving Evelynn a BUFF. You can carry with any champ to high elo. That does not make them viable. Notice how many High Elo players play shaco in solo queue OR premade 5s. Gonna say none. Heres my 30-40 viable champs: Ranged AD: kog, vayne, ashe, caitlyn, mf, ezreal, tristana, urgot Offtank Top lane: Jax, Chogath, Galio, Gangplank, Garen, Irelia, Maokai, Renekton, Pantheon, Rumble, Singed, Talon, Yorick AP top lane: Kennen, Gragas, Ryze, akali Mid: Brand, Anivia, Annie, Cass, Kass, Karthus, Morgana, Orianna, Swain, TF, Zilean Jungle: Udyr, Warwick, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Nunu, Fiddlesticks, Amumu Bot lane (support): Alistar, Janna, Soraka, Sona, Taric That is 46 champions that are entirely viable. Naturally, there are some that are borderline, such as Xin Zhao, Trundle, Poppy, Rammus, etc. There are some non-viable picks e.g. Malphite, Skarner, Tryndamere, Katarina, Heimerdinger, etc. More or less, about 55 champs are viable, depending on variables such as team comp and player strengths. Galio is a very US champ, and seeing how there was really only one US champ at Guangzhou, its natural it wasnt seen much. Trundle was IN games, which should say something about viability, regardless of how good or bad he did. Rumble was banned in a lot of them. durr. Ryze is niche, but with the right team entirely viable. Corki is viable, just outshone atm. IEM players knew what they were doing. I promise you that all of the champs picked were either viable, fit the specific team comp, or the individual players skill on that champ was superior. For instance, I would not consider Nidalee particularly viable, but because Hotshot has about 1000000000 games with her, she was banned. Trundle is very niche atm, and relies on good team cc and a late game. But he is viable with those requirements. Champs you saw repeatedly are, ofc, viable.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]I barely see anyone pick Ryze during competitive matches and when they do, they usually fail. He is really not that good, Duff. Morgana es #1 but is often banned now, so Brand would obviously be the best choice for the mid lane. The junglers you name aren't bad but I have seen more Nocturne's and Lee Sins, those two are probably the top competitive picks (not sure about the picks during the IEM Guangzhou, haven't seen a lot of that tournament :|).[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Wayne3100] I barely see anyone pick Ryze during competitive matches and when they do, they usually fail. He is really not that good, Duff.[/quote] Ryze is viable, he is like corki, in that he is good, but other characters fit team comps more easily or are just better in general. Ryze isn't optimal, but you won't lose a game because you pick him.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage][quote=Wayne3100] I barely see anyone pick Ryze during competitive matches and when they do, they usually fail. He is really not that good, Duff. [/quote] Ryze is like Garen, in a certain way. He is super strong early game, super strong mid game, but god knows how terrible he is late game, IMO.[/quote]

[quote=WaffleWarrior][quote=Fox Rage] [quote=Wayne3100] I barely see anyone pick Ryze during competitive matches and when they do, they usually fail. He is really not that good, Duff. [/quote] Ryze is like Garen, in a certain way. He is super strong early game, super strong mid game, but god knows how terrible he is late game, IMO. [/quote] Scarra is rocking ryze to the max right now. Cant really say hes bad after watching him.[/quote]

[quote=Ruin Sage]IMO, Shaco is most useful as a hybrid. It means his jitbs still hurt and he can beat down towers like a boss. You will always be able to find uses for jitbs- people WILL go through the jungle, you just need to find a place they don't expect. You can also make yourself vulnerable by being alone and watching the enemy die when they come to gank you. A lot of what makes Shaco work is reading your opponents and playing against their particular style.[/quote]