Season 5 Jungle Discussion

[quote=Zordagoth]Auto attackers champ (udyr/yi/Warwick/xin ...) little golems (with the stun shit) is better than Gromp imo ^^[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But champs that lack aoe dmg really like it, also krugs don't grant any damage, which means they don't increase clear speed.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Eh, no point starting Gromp when they lowered the buff spawn time back to 1:54 again. Just get a leash. Gromp buff isn't worth over the bonus EXp from your first buff.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Ehm, you get level 2 by doing gromp with [[smite]], you know? And you need to clear the 1 minor camp anyway, so why not just abuse the case that one has a usefull buff which increases your clear speed, while the other one doesn't?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=NicknameMy]Ehm, you get level 2 by doing gromp with [[smite]], you know? And you need to clear the 1 minor camp anyway, so why not just abuse the case that one has a usefull buff which increases your clear speed, while the other one doesn't?[/quote] I think you're over valuing that buff a tad too much. Pretty sure just getting a leash on a buff, the n doing wolves, then the next buff is faster than doing Gromp.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But then you will not have [[smite]] up for the second buff, means you loose exp.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]If you start gromp you'd be doing 3 camps (Gromp, blue, wolves) before doing red to have smite up by then anyway. Most champions can barely make it through 3 camps on first clear.[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]Do it, you'll see on most AA champ i tested, starting at stun golem means easy full first clear without any problems[/quote]

[quote=Kadius][[Shaco]].... and maybe [[master yi]].... need I say more.... what's that? I do have to say more...? Ergh, finneeeeeeeeee.... Okay so [[shaco]] now has a massive power spike because of that counter jungling mechete, he can just walk in, clear your side faster than you can, and then go and farm his side. This results in [[shaco]] being a really strong jungler. Also, harder monsters? No problem for shaco because the monsters barely hit him and are always onto your [[Jack in a box]], so he has stupid camp CLEAR TIMES but the thing that takes time is the prep work. [[Dragon]] Is also another really key point now which means again, [[Shaco]] Is a really strong pick and come to think of it, [[Malzahar]] would also be a really strong pick due to his 2 minute [[Dragon]] clear he can do. [[Shaco]] is again strong because of his level 6 [[dragon]] clear. All I can say is that strong counter junglers/gankers that are focused for mid/late game will coem out on top. But why did I mention [[Master Yi]]? Simple. Yi farms all game long, coming out late game as a monster and destorying almost everyone if he has gotten a few kills. and what id they implement? A farming buff for smite and an enchantment that creates a better feral flare. Flare was key on YI for the AA damage and was fine because he farmed a bunch anyway, and since he DOES INDEED farm all game long than and AOE Smite would certainly speed that up. LAte game you can sell it for the one that seems to increase dueling potential as a slow isnt needed because Yi is a bloody racecar. ANyways guys hope I helped, my final analysis is that people with strong counter Jungling/Invades early game will be effective, smite stealing a buff will be more devastating than before due to the increased toughness of the monster. This means [[Shaco]] and [[nunu]] can have a fun time stealing your shit and ending the game with you on level 3. Strong late game farmers like [[master yi]] or maybe [[nocturne]] are definately up there. Strong objective takers like [[Malzahar]] and, again, [[shaco]] are great picks as well due to the changes with [[dragon]]. Love you lots hope I helped <3[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=OTGBionicArm]If you start gromp you'd be doing 3 camps (Gromp, blue, wolves) before doing red to have smite up by then anyway. Most champions can barely make it through 3 camps on first clear.[/quote] ive been doing what nicknamemy said pretty well, which is gromp/rocks+smite > Buff > Buff+smite then recalling but you do cut it pretty close with hp and ive only tested it with hecarim sejuani and nautilus[/quote]