Click to open network menu
Join or Log In
Mobafire logo

Join the leading League of Legends community. Create and share Champion Guides and Builds.

Create an MFN Account






Or

An All-Inclusive App For
Competitive Ranked Play
Download
's Forum Avatar

Tank dps...... All else fails

Creator: johnx1870 May 2, 2011 11:45pm
Joobieo#41288
<Member>
Joobieo#41288's Forum Avatar
Posts:
1770
Joined:
Feb 5th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 5:12pm | Report
Searz wrote:

You can outplay a team of tanky DPS.
Morde needs to farm and when he farms he pushes his lane and is very open to ganks. I think Rumble is kinda similar to Morde, but I haven't played against him yet.


Explain how you beat a Morde who is farming lol. Hes almost impossible to gank...
Current Solo Q Elo = 1405+
Active United States Marine
Malzahar - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
Kassadin - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
Joobieo#41288
<Member>
Joobieo#41288's Forum Avatar
Posts:
1770
Joined:
Feb 5th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 5:13pm | Report
Visfarix wrote:



Good postioning, proper itemization, and CC are still so much better than Tanky DPS.



I disagree.

Say you take two teams of equal skill, one is CC based other is tanky dps, who will win more times than not ? Be honest.
Current Solo Q Elo = 1405+
Active United States Marine
Malzahar - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
Kassadin - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
Searz
<Ancient Member>
Searz's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
13418
Joined:
Jun 6th, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 6:19pm | Report
Impossible to gank? You so funny XD
"every now and again you come across a game that has so little emotional connection to who you are that you end up standing there, gazing at the screen and saying "I'm just pressing buttons and my life has no meaning,"" - Colin Campbell
Rudmed
<Editor>
Rudmed's Forum Avatar
Posts:
2394
Joined:
Dec 10th, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 6:22pm | Report
Well if one is CC based they can include a number of champion for example for the CC team you can have an Amumu or Shen. Who can taunt/Entangle multiple people. Then Cass, who can stun a number of people as well, while everyone can drop one or more people. While in the middle of that you have a Kat ult in the middle of it then you can just about destroy the other team.
Visfarix
<Member>
Visfarix's Forum Avatar
Posts:
523
Joined:
Jun 23rd, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 6:42pm | Report
If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team.
Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia.

In a fight of Tanky DPS vs team with **** load of CC I would say **** load of CC is going to win 80%. Only case where they wouldn't win is if Tanky DPS also has a **** load of CC, but in that case it's more ****load of CC vs ****load of CC.
Joobieo#41288
<Member>
Joobieo#41288's Forum Avatar
Posts:
1770
Joined:
Feb 5th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 7:18pm | Report
Visfarix wrote:

If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team.
Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia.

In a fight of Tanky DPS vs team with **** load of CC I would say **** load of CC is going to win 80%. Only case where they wouldn't win is if Tanky DPS also has a **** load of CC, but in that case it's more ****load of CC vs ****load of CC.


In a team fight where everyone is fighting all at once tanky dps wins. In a team fight where your focus firing one at a time that's a different story but how often do fights like that happen ?
Current Solo Q Elo = 1405+
Active United States Marine
Malzahar - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
Kassadin - Ranked Mini Guide / Build
JunSupport
<Veteran>
JunSupport's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
3344
Joined:
Oct 5th, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 7:29pm | Report
I personally think Havoc needs a buff.

It only scales with Burst damage, making the offensive mastery tree inferior to the defensive tree.
It should scale with total attack/ability power.

This would naturally make building damage more effective.
~ Gentlemen Cho'Gath ~
┌──┐
┴──┴
< ,....,ರೃ>
~ Keeping this sig classy ~

Guides of Mine - Click the... Eh... Come back later

~Undergoing barbaric-Destruction, tasteful-Renovation, and blasphemous-Reconstruction soon™~
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
Lazukin
<Member>
Lazukin's Forum Avatar
Posts:
1001
Joined:
Jan 20th, 2011
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 7:31pm | Report
So stubborn >_<

You win the teamfights late game because you win the solo fights early game.

Tanky-DPS is only invincible or whatever you call it if they get fed or farmed. If you don't let that happen, have fun winning.

Also. Madred's Bloodrazor (or just Kog'Maw)


I make sigs, PM me if you want one :D (Thanks for the Nidalee sig, The_Nameless_Bard!)
JunSupport
<Veteran>
JunSupport's Forum Avatar
Show more awards
Posts:
3344
Joined:
Oct 5th, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 7:33pm | Report
Visfarix wrote:

If Morde is farming he will be using skills, if he is using skills he will be pushing, if he is pushing he will be right at the edge of your tower. If you have a jungle and/or a roamer it will be very easy to gank morde(unless he is packing ghost and flash). Especially if you have some good CC on your team.
Anyway Morde isn't even that strong of a champion. I can easily outfarm a morde with caitlyn or straight up beat Morde in a 1vs1 laning situation with anivia.


False slippery slope analysis.

A good mordekaiser will clear your minions, then back off. Early on, he'll be patient because he's low level, and let your wave push the lane.
Naturally, around level4~5 he can counter push without problems. Your jungler and roamer isn't worth squat. Especially if his team has a jungler and roamer. Then you're screwed.

Also, Caitlyn is a direct counter to Mordekaiser do to her amazing lane control with a big AA-range, long range skill shot, and rooting traps that limit enemy movement.
Other champions don't technically fair so well.
~ Gentlemen Cho'Gath ~
┌──┐
┴──┴
< ,....,ರೃ>
~ Keeping this sig classy ~

Guides of Mine - Click the... Eh... Come back later

~Undergoing barbaric-Destruction, tasteful-Renovation, and blasphemous-Reconstruction soon™~
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
Visfarix
<Member>
Visfarix's Forum Avatar
Posts:
523
Joined:
Jun 23rd, 2010
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep May 3, 2011 9:39pm | Report
Quoted:

In a team fight where everyone is fighting all at once tanky dps wins. In a team fight where your focus firing one at a time that's a different story but how often do fights like that happen ?
In solo queue, where almost everyone is disorganized and pretty much fighting on their own, I can see this happening. Verse a well organized team where people understand positioning and communicate well(and the teams are even in terms of gold and items), Tanky DPS will lose 90% of the time.

Do you watch high ELO streamers and tournament streams? How often do you see teams that only use Tanky DPS comps winning tournaments?

JunSupport wrote:
False slippery slope analysis.

A good mordekaiser will clear your minions, then back off. Early on, he'll be patient because he's low level, and let your wave push the lane.
Naturally, around level4~5 he can counter push without problems. Your jungler and roamer isn't worth squat. Especially if his team has a jungler and roamer. Then you're screwed.

Also, Caitlyn is a direct counter to Mordekaiser do to her amazing lane control with a big AA-range, long range skill shot, and rooting traps that limit enemy movement.
Other champions don't technically fair so well.
Interesting. Now this is mostly from personal experience, but this means that I no longer play against good Mordekaisers because every Morde I directly lane against sucks. I remember pre-nerf Mordes would win laning phase against me in mid pretty much 100% of the time regardless of who I played(unless they were terrible). Now it's almost the exact opposite and I win against any morde daring enough to go mid and against most at top lane. Does this mean most of the good Mordes no longer play Mordekaiser? I wonder why they stopped?

You need to log in before commenting.

League of Legends Champions:

Teamfight Tactics Guide