The Udyr Rework

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Nighthawk] def the udyr changes are alright but i think they made some stupid decisions at the same time. I like the Q change but also don't like it, the e change is good, but...meh. Turtle pret useless now. [/quote] Shields are worthless? Remind me to stop using [[Command: Protect]] on [[Orianna]] too. >.> Also, it isn't on the tooltip but [[Udyr]]'s [[Bear Stance]] now has a slight dash to it when attacking a target. Pretty nice if you ask me.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Wayne3100] Sounds like top lane Udyr will be easier to deal with since he'll be dealing pretty much physical damage only. [/quote] It will also allow [[Udyr]] to build Armor Pen. Before building it was pretty bad because he has so much mixed damage. Good change there [[Monkey's Agility]] is a nerf to me. He already gets high attack speed from [[Tiger Stance]], the % armor and MR were better. [[Turtle Stance]] nerfs are meh. I'm not a fan, unless they're making him a resourceless champion it will really hurt his lane sustain, which is pretty much the only thing he has going for him. Sustain scales off damage, so pretty much lifesteal. [[Phoenix Stance]] makes no sense. They're attempting to buff it, but its an AP scaling ability and the rest of his kit is changing to support a damage oriented build. So basically Phoenix is going to be used to push waves or clear waves as it already is. It actually gets weaker because of the changes to [[Tiger Stance]], [[Monkey's Agility]] and [[Turtle Stance]] all in all, the changes seem pretty bad, they're incetivising building damage by trying to give him high base attack speed, but some of the changes as a whole seem pretty bad[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Not necessarily a nerf to Turtle Stance, he doesn't have mana problems anyway, and now the heal scales off all damage dealt, meaning on-hits ([[blade of the ruined king]]) and TF are better for him :p[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]No mana probelms? WTF? Cast 6 times spells and you are oom. Also, as far as I know, turtle stance doesn't scale with on-hit effects.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]It heals you for 12% of the damage you do, pretty it counts the on-hit damage. Would need further testing though.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]ultimately would depend on the wording, right now it says "damage he does" if it changes to basic attacks or anything of the sort it would most likely not affect items like BotRK.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote]Turtle Stance's healing is equivalent to life steal and procs on the same effects.[/quote] lolWiki[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][[Monkey's Agility]] already has the AS component. At this rate, they'll change [[Consecration]] entirely and make [[Astral Blessing]] give some other stat than armor. And also [[Aria of Perseverance]]. GG Riot. Removing all built-in armor and MR when you already buffed penetration hugely.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=NicknameMy] No mana probelms? WTF? Cast 6 times spells and you are oom. Also, as far as I know, turtle stance doesn't scale with on-hit effects. [/quote] Learn to conserve mana? His mana costs are getting lowered? And lolwiki is based on the game right now, not on PBE. What it says means nothing.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=OTGBionicArm] Meh love how they thought it was a good idea to "remove the mana regen for the ability to CRIT" what fucking [[Udyr]] is building crit for that to matter? [/quote] They probably wanted to stop potentially broken stuff like SotD Udyr from becoming a thing.[/quote]