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Hi there..
Yes this is yet another post about thresh, but im seeking some heavy info about this champ, and though searching all the net, i dont find any pages satisfying my hunger for knowledge..

1: story.

I have played Thresh nearly from the start, and i general plays him very well..
I have tried nearly anything with with this Soul Warden, and no matter how/ and what i play, i´ll get the same Question:

How the Hell does Death Sentence passive affect me.. and how Exactly is it combines with his Passive ( in this case he actually got 2)

2. how would the math look if i went for ad? what does it scale with, or not..

So far my idea is as AD that ill get a EI + 1-53 dmg
A:(death sentence depending on lv), it could also be 100-300, just a random number, guess this is around lv 14...
B(depending on how long time since my last attack).

(importent note: Death sentence Scale between (2 bonusAP numbers) all the time.. but it seems theres a Cap, depending on attackspeed), but how does my souls affect my spell..

so far ill get this:
EI+ 100 souls at 80%(80 Ap dmg)=150 attack dmg,
if i have decent attack speed

BUT if i dont buy attackspeed

EI+nearly 300= 370 AD.
but then death sentence say Depending on number of souls collected, in %.. lets say 100 souls..=(80% of 100 = 80 AP
then the math would be
(Ei(70)+ 300)|AD|+ 80(AP) =450 in dps.. ( not inclueding armor calculations, or crit)
so that would leave me with a Hack´n slash of 450.
Ofc this aint what i really do, due to some attack speed but point is, ingame i hurt when i hit.

But do i understand the math right..


3. how would the math look if i went for ap?what does it scale with, or not..

Nearly the same with AP.. his spells gains affect from his AP, but his basic does not... it will only be affected by the bonus AP he recieves from souls..
så 100 ap and 100 souls/80% would leave me with, basic attack 80, cause of the AP passive
(death sentence). and spells only 100+( the spell )...

Or does his passive benefit for all his AP?

correct??

4. how would the math look if i went for as? what does it scale with, or not..

Then theres the thinking project..
people speak about Thresh should/could run attack speed, but i cant see how he should benefit for it at all, unless if they count for min, dmg very many times...
1 reason to this is that in lv 1, death sentence goes from 1-53, so what, would people only do 1 dps many times....??? that way of thinking corrupts my brain..

another good reason i ask about attackspeed, is that i often 1v1 get´s pinned down by champions as varus, even tough i take 90% of his hp, with 2 hit, i lose cause i lack that 1 hit..


finally: I know ofc that he should be played sup, or tank, I do however like to play him AD much, special together with another good ADC, 1 hook and people just DIE...
This is the FIRST champion i had EVER feelt i actually rocks with, the combination of his cc, and Hardcore AD, make the game So much more fun... and my hooks are in 70% of cases deathly..
I care for this champ, and i need to learn Exactly how he works so i can chose the right items for him..

so if you know the answers please aid me, nomatter if you dislike AD/AP/AS Thresh or if you do not..
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um something looks kinda wrong with your calculations... SHOUT OUT TO LIFEBAKA TO LOOK @ TEH MATHS IF UR THERE BRO!
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The amount of damage done by the passive of Death sentence is:
* 100% of the amount of collected souls (not the AP gain from it!)
* 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200% of the amount of the total AD
* The charging time is around 10 seconds.
(http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Thresh/Ability_Details)

That means that the formula is the following:
D = (A*P + S) * (T/10)

Where D = The bonus damage done from the passive effect of your Q
A = Total attack damage
P = Percentage (80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200% based on the ability level)
Keep in mind: 80% = 0,8 and 200% = 2,0
S = Amount of souls
T = The amount of time since your last auto attack (maximum 10seconds)

In order to see the total damage of your Q passive, it's quite simple:
D + A = total damage

This is concerning your first question.

To answer your second question (considering AD vs AP vs AS)
1. AS is stupid, don't do it, it will weaken your Q passive. Nothing benefits from AS with Thresh.
2. AP with a full combo will deal a total of 190% of your AP... And you have a lot of cooldowns :P. Probably not worth it.
3. AD will massively boost the damage output of your Q, for damaging choices probably the best.

Hope I answered your question :P
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@Meiyjhe, therefore, when your timer goes to 10, Death Sentence passive damage is infinity, cus obviously not op.
i assumbe you were looking for something like A+(A*P+S)*t, where 0<t<10


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Pheyniex wrote:

@Meiyjhe, therefore, when your timer goes to 10, Death Sentence passive damage is infinity, cus obviously not op.
i assumbe you were looking for something like


Hmm.. your right, I will fix the calculation :P
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X/(t/10) says you have infinity damage when you have no wait. better stack AS on Thresh then. LoL.


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Oh wait... God I am awful xD

I will fix it D:
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regarding computational issues, much better. =]

(the t/10 fits the discription. I have no patience for modelling right now, gg)


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Oh the maths... It hurts my tiny brain this early in the morning... But thanks? I guess? +rep for the effort, even tho its giving me flashbacks...
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The pleasure was all mine :D
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