Upcoming Zyra nerfs

[quote=Wayne3100]I didn't say [[Ahri]] should flat out beat her (I think really no one should), but because of her ult it is incredibly hard for [[Zyra]] to catch her in [[Stranglethorns]] as 9/10 times she will ult out of it before the knockup (even if you land a snare). As soon as [[Zyra]] misses a snare, she's also vulnerable to [[Ahri]] ulting in and taunting and killing her because [[Ahri]] has that assassin type gameplay that [[Zyra]] is not great against. Not saying [[Ahri]] should win or the matchup is clearly in her favour, but there's no reason for her to lose it, is my point.[/quote]

[quote=TxTVira][quote=Wayne3100] I didn't say [[Ahri]] should flat out beat her (I think really no one should), but because of her ult it is incredibly hard for [[Zyra]] to catch her in [[Stranglethorns]] as 9/10 times she will ult out of it before the knockup (even if you land a snare). As soon as [[Zyra]] misses a snare, she's also vulnerable to [[Ahri]] ulting in and taunting and killing her because [[Ahri]] has that assassin type gameplay that [[Zyra]] is not great against. Not saying [[Ahri]] should win or the matchup is clearly in her favour, but there's no reason for her to lose it, is my point. [/quote] You're right,Ahri's ult can easily dodge zyra's abilities. But only when spirit rush's on. Killing zyra b4 she got RoA is easy,but escaping alive is not as easy. Especially when her plants are still alive they'll keep firing at you. Zyra's e is also much easier to land then Ahri's e. I know it's a snare instead of taunt or stun. But that's enough to dish out a quick burst while the victim can do nothing if range is an issue. Other times during laning a wild e will root ahri, followed by double w and a Q =[ Only think Ahri can trade back is Q,but mostly she'll lose the trade.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Zoneing champs like orianna, ziggs, and anivia should be able to keep up in terms of control and not be easily harassed by her. Long ranged champschamps like xerath and lux (who can also be considered a zoner) should do well too by keeping out of range of her snare while also being able to disrubt her if she tries to close the gap for a combo. Cass, veigar, brand and morganna would be a skill match. Champs that should lose to zyra are annie, ryze, gragas, galieo. But that is just my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]Played her after the nerf without knowing they had already been hotfixed and barely noticed anything. She's still very strong.[/quote]

[quote=Vinta]When I initially heard about her nerf, I was very upset. I couldn't see how they would think her to be way too powerful, and not even do a double-take at Jayce. My own biases aside, after playing her pre-nerf and post-nerf, I actually find myself doing even better. Since it isn't worthwhile to spend the mana on a second turret, I end up having more seeds and mana at my disposal during a match.[/quote]

[quote=Inferiae]Playing both with her and against her post-nerf, I still think she's incredibly strong, I'd be surprised if these tweaks stopped her being a regular ban[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro]Much needed![/quote]

[quote=MissWitch]One long word: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO![/quote]

[quote=Taco limeyjr]these nerfs were needed[/quote]