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Pheyniex wrote:
Soul Shroud is such an underrated item. I mostly use it on support builds when my team highly profits from extra CDR , the mana regen for your lane buddy is also a nice benefit-> spam all the skills.Also, the extra health keeps you alive.
I prefer to use this item on champions that bring some natural tankiness with them, like Leona and it is quite situational. But if you ignore this item then you are denying yourself some great possibilities of strategy.
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There, i have used my 1000 post in these forums to defend
Soul Shroud's honor- that must mean that I am right ;)
Fox Rage wrote:
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Why all the rage Phoenix? Got one time too often powned by trolls using Nashor's or what?
Nashor's is not a "bad item", the gold price is okay and all, not to mention that you put a huge load of stats with top-notch quantity on one item-slot.
It's simply that there aren't any champs who can REALLY use all of them.
AP Kog'Maw and Kayle, that's it. And Kog'Maw is already a so-so.
So what's left? Only autohitting AP Kayle, but she falls of late in terms of dmg and is squishy like Doc.Oc, only wasting the bubble on herself most of the time otherwise rushing an early CC death.
But if they're going to release some champs that can really utilize Nashor's somewhere in the future, redoing it's buff and adding a nerf to it is right behind the corner.
To add: The old Jax, OP or not doesn't matter, really wrecked havoc getting Nashor's as his ~4. item, jst saying. (Not that he didn't with his 3. too, but I meaning it in a more unstoppable way)
Nashor's is not a "bad item", the gold price is okay and all, not to mention that you put a huge load of stats with top-notch quantity on one item-slot.
It's simply that there aren't any champs who can REALLY use all of them.
AP Kog'Maw and Kayle, that's it. And Kog'Maw is already a so-so.
So what's left? Only autohitting AP Kayle, but she falls of late in terms of dmg and is squishy like Doc.Oc, only wasting the bubble on herself most of the time otherwise rushing an early CC death.
But if they're going to release some champs that can really utilize Nashor's somewhere in the future, redoing it's buff and adding a nerf to it is right behind the corner.
To add: The old Jax, OP or not doesn't matter, really wrecked havoc getting Nashor's as his ~4. item, jst saying. (Not that he didn't with his 3. too, but I meaning it in a more unstoppable way)
Lifebaka did already for example and I did so too in a more indirect way:
For it's price Nashor's packs more than enough stats, it's just that there are no champs to use ALL of them, at least not anymore.
It's simply that there is no champ around who can utilizes Nashor's greatness.
Instead of hating the item, hate that there aren't champs around who can use it.
For it's price Nashor's packs more than enough stats, it's just that there are no champs to use ALL of them, at least not anymore.
It's simply that there is no champ around who can utilizes Nashor's greatness.
Instead of hating the item, hate that there aren't champs around who can use it.
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I'm simply pointing out how bad an item is lol.
I've already explained the reasons why Nashor's is a bad item. If you're gonna attempt to post something smart actually post your reasoning lol.
I like to believe there is no such thing as a bad item. The Gold costs and benefits usually make things fair. In Nashor's case, the main issue though is applicability. Nashor's isn't "bad" because it's stats are bad. it is "bad" because it is a niche pick, which isn't the same thing. It is underused and under appreciated because of the niche it. I can count these champions on one hand, with a second hand is for "weird, but might work" type builds. Again, this doesn't make an item bad, it just makes it difficult to use outside of what it is intended for.
Kazega wrote:
I like to believe there is no such thing as a bad item. The Gold costs and benefits usually make things fair. In Nashor's case, the main issue though is applicability. Nashor's isn't "bad" because it's stats are bad. it is "bad" because it is a niche pick, which isn't the same thing. It is underused and under appreciated because of the niche it. I can count these champions on one hand, with a second hand is for "weird, but might work" type builds. Again, this doesn't make an item bad, it just makes it difficult to use outside of what it is intended for.
Have you heard of
Leviathan?
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Leviathan is an item based on potential, making the item high-risk = high reward. In fact with only 10 stacks you are matched up with most other HP items in that regard, being equal to Rylai's Crystal Scepter and slightly surpassed by Rod of Ages with 3 minutes. the only other items that greatly surpass a 10 stack Leviathan is Frozen Mallet and Warmog's Armor the later of which is the ONLY item that will surpass a fully stacked Leviathan.So leviathan is not a bad item. It needs a lot of work to be used properly, otherwise it turns into a bad investment where other items are safer because they don't do that.
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No no no a million times no. I've already gone over this. Nashor's has a great gold-to-stat efficiency. It's incredible. Few other items even come close to matching it, and most of them are snowball items with lots of stacks. The reason that Nashor's isn't used is because no viable way of playing a champion uses both AP and AS. It's a great item with no place in the game. This is not the same as it being a bad item.
Nashor's requires absolutely nothing in the way of buffs. If it starts to get buffed again, it'll become a good pick for its AP and CDR alone, which would be problematic on champs like Oriana who could use it to absolutely stomp their laning phase and not have to sell it later for teamfights.
Want CDR? Blue pot + blue buff + DFG on APs. Other items (Frozen heart, etc) + blue pot on bruisers.
Want AP? Get AP with other items. 65 AP - 2700 is minuscule
Want AS? Get other items with other benefits.
If you're adding up all the stats themselves with a "price tag" then I wouldn't know.
Stats suck on items when you're choosing cheap stats.
CDR is cheap.
Until they make a champion that matches the archetype for Nashor's they will need to change it.
Even if they buff the item people wont buy it on casters.
NO casters ever aim to get a "big item" for CDR. That's beyond stupid. It's the exact same reason as to why people don't rush Morello's or even buy it anymore. CDR is a cheap stat that isn't valued early ~ mid as much as flat on damage or resistances are worth. More so blue buff + blue pot is already near max CDR for APs.
That's why Riot stopped making items focused mainly on CDR.
Speaking of Morello's that item's like extinct.