Who do i ban? who do i pick? Champ select tips...

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Acid Reigns] on the topic of bans, why do so many people ban shaco...? He's pretty terrible o.o [/quote] Unfortunately, he's not terrible anymore :///[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=DokBam] [quote=Nighthawk] Actually Soraka is a counter to Karthus (as well to a semi extent Urgot). I would say Sona is probably more of a counter to Urgot though. [/quote] Sona wouldn't be a counter for Urgot, since Urgot is usually solo laner and Sona is duo. Which means they wont even encounter each other during early laning phase unless Sona abandons bot lane and roams (this shudnt happen). Soraka's long range silence can srsly shut Urgot's harassment down. [/quote] Well...why are we talking about Soraka as a counter then? Also Urgot bot is much more popular atm then Urgot solo (and it works). It's also not like Sona has a long range stun, damage reduc or passive armor + mr buff, nope, clearly Soraka is just better cause she's a pony.[/quote]

[quote=Brentaxe][quote=Acid Reigns] on the topic of bans, why do so many people ban shaco...? He's pretty terrible o.o [/quote] He is the sort of champion that keeps super pressure on every single lane. For example if you have a shaco jungle on your team, the enemy will most likely be playing more passively cuz they are scared shitless of shaco. And if he pulls of 2-3 successful ganks he snowballs quite well, like Le Blanc.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Acid Reigns] on the topic of bans, why do so many people ban shaco...? He's pretty terrible o.o [/quote] Because he's an extremely high burden of knowledge champion to play against, he has the best lane pressure in the game, and he does a billion damage early game. His ganks usually result in a very dead dude on the other end. Shaco is a very high skill cap champion as well, so if you get a bad one on your team, you probably lose. That's my reasoning for banning him.[/quote]

[quote=C4k3CooKieZ]I will just put it out right now [[fizz]] is a great counter to Kassadin - if you can manage to E when he Q atleast ^_^, then just jump him with Q and W and some autoattacks :). After 6 won't change that much because Fizz's ult is aweomse. Just use it after he use his [[rift walk]][/quote]

[quote=C4k3CooKieZ][quote=Acid Reigns] yeah, but he's still a terrible champion -.- usually shaco ganks result in a free double kill, and free buffs... [/quote] Then you haven't seen a good shaco yet :)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If it means anything I used to think Shaco was the worst champ in the game. He got some minor quality of life buffs, and the jungle got reworked. And Shaco was born, again.[/quote]

[quote=Acid Reigns]I agree that he is A LOT better now, but I still think he's pretty bad I mean, it's not like he's the worst champ ever, but imo he definately shouldn't be a top ban. And yes, I've seen good shacos, I've seen shacos go 20-0, however, I've yet to see a shaco carry, I've yet to see a shaco play a pivotal role in victory, and I've yet to be worried upon seeing a shaco. Champions like Kassadin, Morgana, Sion, Sona, Vayne, Karthus, Gangplank, Akali, etc are all just such better choices. It doesn't make sense to me to ban an average champion, unless it's to make sure people on your own team don't use him, and fail with him, as like what was said, he is a high skill champion :P[/quote]