Tweaking the new voting system

[quote=Searz]I really like the new voting function that forces you to comment when voting, but there's kind of a flaw.. To avoid insane amounts of comments on every popular build you shouldn't have to leave a comment when you vote up, you should only be forced to do so when you vote down. Most people who vote you up have no constructive criticism, if they wanna say something they can just comment comment anyway. Tedious amounts of unnecessary comments is not something I think I'd benefit from. I just want a reason as to why they think think it's a bad build and a chance to discuss it with them. Soooo~ something else that could be added is a reassesment option. Something that enables you to force the person who votes you down to leave a valid reason (to prevent comments like "I just don't like your build") or the vote won't be counted. But leaving the control of that to the build creator would be like begging for abuse. So perhaps the readers could be able to decide whether the vote should count or not. If the votes on that comment has a majority of votes in it's favor it will count, if not it won't. Also having a separate page for that in the comments will make it easier to find those comments for people who would like to review the downvoting comments. I for one would definetly rewiew downvotes on builds that people have put a lot of time into and I would definetly not favor the builds, I would simply review the reasons to why and vote according to their validity. TL;DR: only require comment on downvotes. Adding a reassesment option?[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Well, the reassessment idea has a slight flaw as well - we don't exactly have a large enough of a staff to sort through every single downvote. Also, no matter how you look at it, whoever assesses these votes will have a slight personal bias which may slightly influence the way he views a vote as troll or constructive. One thing now that I notice is that builds are being rated a lot higher than they were before. This is obviously good in some ways, but it's bad in others. For example, the Rammus guide on the front page is in the top 10, yet it's really not all that good compared to the formerly highest-rated ones. Really, there's no solution to this - I'm just raging here because I feel like it.[/quote]

[quote=Matt]If they wanted to give you a reason for down voting they'd do it whether you force them to or not. Forcing comments on up/down vote is already going to scare away voters, making it only apply to down votes is even worse as now you're only scaring away down voters. You want to force them to comment, you have to deal with the mess. As you might have seen in other threads I have little sympathy over the use of this feature, I don't like it and I'd rather not have it. All of these arguments and ideas would work great in a perfect world where nobody cheats and everyone plays nice and helps everyone. In reality, it will get abused. You're basically asking us to allow people to delete votes in a round about way and I already said WE WILL NOT delete votes. So no, no no and no :) IMO the solution is to remove the feature altogether, but I won't do that until you guys agree it's time. Probably. /rant[/quote]

[quote=Searz]The reassessment feature was only a suggestion. I know it would be complicated to prevent abuse of the system. Just because I'm doing something the moral way doesn't mean that other people will :( I do however really think that only forcing down voters to comment is better than forcing all votes. For no other reason than cleaning up build comments, but I guess you're not changing your mind on that one :/ Is this thing getting removed? If so; do we have an eta?[/quote]

[quote=Scrax]One question: Why? If you want feedback on down-votes, don't you want feedback on up-votes..? Aren't they just as important? "I liked it [u]because[/u].."[/quote]

[quote=Searz]I do want feedback on that too ofc, but the problem is that 90% of the "+1" comments are contain no feedback other than that they liked it. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather focus on my problems so that I can make things better than focusing on the things I've done right.[/quote]

[quote=Scrax]Thats true, but still the fact that you'd want to force people's opinion only on the negative stuff, and not on the positive, is kinda.. Unbalanced, in my honest opinion. You either want their opinion or no opinion at all :D[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Also, one of the mindsets of this seems to be "Oh, the positive comments aren't giving feedback, so let's just not make them require it anyway." There's no downside to having a ton of comments that say +1 on your build's discussion. You'll still be getting the same amount of downvote feedback regardless.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Scrax] Thats true, but still the fact that you'd want to force people's opinion only on the negative stuff, and not on the positive, is kinda.. Unbalanced, in my honest opinion.[/quote] Well, I can improve from the negative, while I often can't from the positive. That's simply why I'd rather know the negative parts. I often (even when voting +) suggest things to help. I'm kinda sad that not everyone appreciates that :( and that's probably why people are discouraged from doing it. [quote]You either want their opinion or no opinion at all :D[/quote] You do have a point there, but I think I'd still rather only force it on downvotes.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Jebus McAzn] There's no downside to having a ton of comments that say +1 on your build's discussion.[/quote] They take up big amounts of space :( I just like keeping things clean >.>[/quote]