Valve to release PC "console"

[quote=Searz][quote=Canoas] [quote=Darcurse]Ignoring easy-to-handle-with-3-buttons FPS games: You tell me because Steam implements controller support in any game does mean that any game has now a functioning and easy to use controller support? Kidding me, right?[/quote] Please show us valve's controller and explain why it's unfit to play certain games. Oh wait, you can't? You have no clue what valve's controller is? So you're just speaking out of your ass then? Oh, how surprising. Some time ago Gabe Newell was looking into all kinds of peripherals. I even remember something about a tongue controller. No one can say what kind of controller valve will use. Also, it seems you still don't understand what a console is. I seriously urge you to go check it out.[/quote] I think you're misunderstanding him (which is very understandable with the amount of sense he's making --.--). I think he's talking about games without controller support and how they won't get it, which is pretty damn obvious if you use your brain (>.>). Only games made or ported for the system will work with the control scheme. You can't expect to be able to play a game on console with a mouse+keyboard and vice-versa.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]That's why I call him the "Can't read" guy. I do make a lot of sense and just to straighten that out, since it seems like you did misunderstand sth or didn't state it clearly enough: The fact that some games can't get a miracle controller support (vice versa for mouse+keyboard ofc) is simply because THERE GENRE DOESN'T ALLOW IT: You can't play your normal strategy/RTS game with a controller and can't play a Beat'Em Up with a keyboard! (You can, but I guess you get the point) Just as an example: You maybe got Dark Souls as it got ported to PC/Steam? You tried to play it with your keyboard ? (excluding that the ported controls are horrible set to begin with) You seem to be one of the few ppl who really believe that this would be "revolutionary". For me it's a downgraded pc (yeah yeah, every console is a downgraded pc) doing the things every pc does, it will neither improve pc ports in any way nor put Linux on a sudden upwind, plus I don't even have half of the problems you describe (CDs/DVDs dafuq's that???) You shouldn't mix the release of a pc - console with your problem about buggy Windows and how good Linux would be, just saying.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas][quote=Searz]I think he's talking about games without controller support and how they won't get it, which is pretty damn obvious if you use your brain (>.>).[/quote]Once again, consoles are nothing new. The limitations of a console IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. The moment someone mentions a console you know what those limitations are. Consoles use controllers, not mouse and keyboard. That is known. There have been released exactly 132 consoles so far, it's nothing new. Everyone knows that games need to be ported for consoles and their controls need to be changed. It's common knowledge. [quote=Darcurse]That's why I call him the "Can't read" guy. I do make a lot of sense[/quote]Looool. No, you don't make any sense. WHAT YOU SAY APPLIES TO EVERY FUCKING CONSOLE. "OMG a computer for a living room to connect to your tv? What a stupid idea!!!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii The idea isn't anything new, IT ALREADY EXISTS! CONSOLES ARE POPULAR! The fact that you fail to understand this is mind-boggling. Even my grandmother knows what a PS3 is and she lives in the middle of fcking nowhere.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Darcurse] The fact that some games can't get a miracle controller support (vice versa for mouse+keyboard ofc) is simply because THERE GENRE DOESN'T ALLOW IT: You can't play your normal strategy/RTS game with a controller and can't play a Beat'Em Up with a keyboard! (You can, but I guess you get the point) Just as an example: You maybe got Dark Souls as it got ported to PC/Steam? You tried to play it with your keyboard ? (excluding that the ported controls are horrible set to begin with)[/quote] Nice of you to clarify. What you said was very unclear. Well, there's obviously gonna be an optimal controller for every game. But the games sold FOR the "Steambox" will obviously work well with a controller. Have you ever seen a console release a game that doesn't work properly with their controller?.. Even if Dark Souls is one of the worst ports ever, the PC is such a versatile platform that it was made playable anyway. You can use pretty much any controller on a PC (it won't take long until you're able to use the Wii U controller with your PC). [quote]You seem to be one of the few ppl who really believe that this would be "revolutionary". For me it's a downgraded pc (yeah yeah, every console is a downgraded pc) doing the things every pc does, it will neither improve pc ports in any way nor put Linux on a sudden upwind, plus I don't even have half of the problems you describe (CDs/DVDs dafuq's that???)[/quote] Then you clearly do not understand how the world works. All the things I've said COULD happen and it's not unlikely that they will. Optical media will die regardless, but the "Steambox" will probably speed up its' demise. [quote]You shouldn't mix the release of a pc - console with your problem about buggy Windows and how good Linux would be, just saying.[/quote] This makes no sense. Please clarify.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Canoas] [quote=Searz]I think he's talking about games without controller support and how they won't get it, which is pretty damn obvious if you use your brain (>.>).[/quote]Once again, consoles are nothing new. The limitations of a console IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. The moment someone mentions a console you know what those limitations are. Consoles use controllers, not mouse and keyboard. That is known. There have been released exactly 132 consoles so far, it's nothing new. Everyone knows that games need to be ported for consoles and their controls need to be changed. It's common knowledge.[/quote] Yes, exactly. I do not understand how that isn't clear to Darcurse...[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]@Searz correct me if I'm wrong, but it simply sounds like your biggest gain in this is Linux and not a "pc for the living room"- thing. @Canoas Yep, still the "Can't read" guy. Dunno what your fixiation is about, but if you still believe that I don't know abotu consoles or that anysthing I talked about has anything to do with it.. well be able to read is a bliss.[/quote]

[quote=Canoas][quote=Darcurse]@Canoas Yep, still the "Can't read" guy. Dunno what your fixiation is about, but if you still believe that I don't know abotu consoles or that anysthing I talked about has anything to do with it.. well be able to read is a bliss.[/quote] If you know what a console is and you still make that argument then there's surely something wrong with your head. Like I've said before, there have been exactly 132 gaming consoles so far, they're not something new to the market. You are not providing any new insight by saying some games are better played with a mouse+keyboard, it's common knowledge. Everyone who has played on a console knows this, and you can be sure that a company like Valve knows what kind of games can be played on a console and what it costs to optimize and port them. It's breath-taking that you think you're so special that you're the first person to realize RTS are better left for PC. Consoles aren't anything new, EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID SO FAR APPLIES TO ALL CONSOLES, not just valve's. And yet, consoles are extremely popular, both PS3 and Xbox 360 sold over 70 million copies each and Wii has sold 100 million. And every single fcking person who bought one of those consoles knows WHAT A REMOTE IS AND WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE PLAYED WITH IT. Is that so hard to realise? Is it? Seriously, I just feel like punching you in the face repeatedly. No one has made such a moronic post since Slappiz (I think that was his name) disappeared. Congratulations, that surely deserves an award.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Darcurse] correct me if I'm wrong, but it simply sounds like your biggest gain in this is Linux and not a "pc for the living room"- thing.[/quote] Yes. That is correct. But all of those things are still rather large for the gaming industry and it's customers.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka][quote=Canoas] Please show us valve's controller and explain why it's unfit to play certain games. [/quote] first, as already stated, a controller similar in use to a console is unfit to play rts games, except in certain cases where the game is designed with the controller in mind. (brutal legend anyone?) second, here is some images from valve's controller patent. [img]http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xlarge-12.jpg[/img] [img]http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xlarge-31.jpg[/img] [img]http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xlarge-51.jpg[/img] [img]http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xlarge.jpg[/img] [img]http://steamunpowered.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/33679.jpg[/img][/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]What Caucheka quoted. If I'm not "providing any new insight by saying some games are better played with a mouse+keyboard" than don't ask stuff like "Please show us valve's controller and explain why it's unfit to play certain games."[/quote]